Sony Handycam HDR-SR1
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Hold onto your hats. Sony has upgraded its already fantastic hard drive based camcorder, making it HD capable. The HDR-SR1 is good for up to 1080 lines of resolution in HD mode (and up to 10 hours of footage in LP mode), and also boasts the ability to take 4-megapixel still photos, written either to the hard drive or to an optional Memory Stick. This is certainly a prosumer camera, and the large price tag reflects that, but even if you're not looking to drop $1,500, keep an eye on the Sony SR1. It's the future of camcorders.
Specifications
- High Definition video camcorder (AVCHD)
- 4 megapixel digital still camera
- 10x optical zoom / 80x digital zoom
- 3.5-inch LCD
- 30mm Carl Zeiss Vario Sonnar T* professional lens
- HDMI, USB 2.0, component, and composite connections
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Sony Handycam HDR-SR1 Reviews by Camcorder HQ Users
- 3.0 out of 5
if you have a mac which the best and the HDR-SR1 which is suppose to be a great camera. You would agree that it stinks together.
- 3.0 out of 5
I have taken many photos and videos with my camera. I love the quality of the videos. The only drawback that I have with it is making a video. It takes eight hours to make a one-hour video. That is if you can get it to work. I have thrown several disk away just because it did not do it right. You have to be very precise on how you do it or it will not work on the standard DVD player. Would I buy another? NO. Too much trouble.
- 5.0 out of 5
I have had this camera for a year now and I have used and used and used it. I own a recording studio so I do music videos also. This camera is an incredible tool and the video quality is perfection!!
- 5.0 out of 5
For the people who gave this camcorder a bad review U don't know jack about technology. This is about as good as it gets for under $2000.00 so my advice is shut up!
- 5.0 out of 5
I owned other camcorders. This is, by far, the best that I have ever had. Despite various claims concerning upload software problems, I have no (zero) problems. Picture quality is awesome in its different modes. Night vision is amazing at 4:30 AM recording ocean wildlife on tropical beaches. Sound is great, but would probably be better suited for MY purposes with an attached mike. Ergonomically pleasing with functions easily accessible. I will not need another camera for many years. Thanks Sony!!
Jarvis
- 2.0 out of 5
The SR1 is one of 5 HD video cameras I own. It had a specific purpose... be small (as the big ones can be difficult at times).
It does take rather excellent images limited by the lens (obviously not equal to pro lenses). All the sound limitations and lens limits are OK when used as B roll or C roll footage or for hard to get tight place secondary shots.
What makes it useless is that once you take the footage, you are dead. It almost seems as if Sony wanted to make sure this camera will never be used for real (professional) work or anything with a time factor. Sony's own general video software does not support this camera's footage. It can be ( I did it) hacked, but the result is hugely time costly and impossible to keep track of portions in the process.
There is NO FIREWIRE port and so any edit mechanism that uses firewire control is out. The HDMI output is not vanilla. So many observations converge on only one logic... something for the riff raff to play with. If you are thinking of using this as a small fill shot camera, for real work, think better.
- 5.0 out of 5
If you go into the purchase knowing you will need a blu-ray player to watch your hd video on a disc. The picture quality is AMAZING but you have to watch it directly from the camcorder via hdmi or burn to dvd or blu-ray disc and play via a blu-ray player. The regular dvd will give the same picture quality as a blu-ray disc, you just won't get as much video on it (about 40 min.) I purschased a light to mount on top of the camcorder as the extra light helps a lot when recording in low light situations. I'm writing this on 6/7/07 and sony is coming out with a 40g and 80g version later this month. HDR-SR5 and HDR-SR7. You might want to check those out before making your decision.
- 5.0 out of 5
I was very apprehensive about buying this camera due to the negative reviews of some people which are almost entirely based upon their not being able to wait for the HD editing software. Well if that's your problem then why buy the camera and give it a lousy review? I think it's fantastic. I made HD DVD's. They play back jerky on my computer but my computer is 6 years old and not very powerful. You absolutely CAN edit the converted mpeg2's contrary to what some people say. They must be making up stuff because they work for the competition. This thing feels great in the hand, is beautiful and intuitive to use. This is not a hobby for me so I am not prepared to have to do too much work to make a movie and put it on DVD and with this thing it's easy. I've had a DVD burner for 2.5years and never could make a DVD till I got tis thing. Plus, contrary to some reviews, I think the Sony software is pretty cool. It searched my entire computer for pics and movies to put on DVD. Thanks Sony.
- 1.0 out of 5
The only negative thing about HDR SR1 is that it records in AVCHD (.m2ts) format which is basically useless beyond the camcorder itself. You won't be able to edit any of your footage. Playback on a PC is also limited to the Sony's "Player for AVCHD" that comes with the camera, even then, it requires a lot of up-to-date hardware to play it with out glitches.
Also, the hard drive feature - no the best idea. After using it for little bit you'll find out that you need a lot more than just the HDD on the camcorder so you'll dig into your PC's HDD and eventually you'll end up purchasing more HDD's just to accommodate the footage. MiniDV tapes is still the best option for videos, IMO.
Other than that it's an OK camcorder.
- 5.0 out of 5
The picture quality of this camcorder is absolutely phenomenal and I'm sad to see it go back to the store. I do not like the "monopoly-esque" position Sony has taken. Currently, Sony is offering no support for MAC users. This camera simply does not work on a MAC. This is clearly a conscious effort by Sony to grab market share for their Sony Vegas editing software, as they try to rival Final Cut Pro. Business is business, but Sony, in the long run, will be shooting themselves in the foot. Most photo and video editors are MAC users. They have isolated the very market they should be catering to. No matter how cutting edge or great Sony products may be, they have lost at least one formerly loyal customer.
- 5.0 out of 5
Okay guys, I edited my footage from New York City New Years Eve (thank GAWD!) by doing this: In your Picture Browser right click and make it CONVERT TO MPEG2 AND SAVE, then I used a free trial of ULEAD VIDEOSTUDIO 10 which I'll get in 30 days $99. YAHHHHHHH! Ulead made it super easy even for ME! Hope this helps out.
- 1.0 out of 5
Remember this camcorder is not as great as it looks it has great recording in HD mode and has a lot to offer but the worse thing about this camcorder is that you cannot import your video to MAC because it is not compatible with a MAC, so remember if you have a MAC and are a MAC user and also are planing to edit your video on your MAC this camcorder is not the one unless SONY comes out with a program that will let you import to your MAC, overall this camcorder is great but I gotta tell you the service Sony has sucks and that they want you to use a PC over a MAC to edit which is just bullshit so I am telling you this camcorder is not for MAC users if you want a camcorder which is for mac users but a Canon or an MAC compatible camcorder!!!
- 4.0 out of 5
The HDR-SR1 is truly a camera that is ahead of its time — and that's one of the big drawbacks of purchasing this product (at least right now).
Here's the deal: The SR1 shoots very good high-definition footage. Great detail. Great colour saturation. The only problem: there is no editing software available for the SR1's HD footage...at least not yet (and contrary to the incorrect statement made by another reviewer, you CAN edit SD footage from this camera...and the quality of the SD footage is VERY impressive).
So, if you need a camera that allows you to edit the footage and you can't wait a few months for proper software to arrive, you might want to pass on this camera.
But if you can wait, well, this camera is certainly one to consider. In fact, apart from the lack of software (an issue that will be rectified over the coming months) this camera has very few weaknesses.
There is also some discussion that the "noise issue" (which is a result of the new AVCHD codec, not the camera itself) will be improved with a firmware update in the near future. Not sure how true this is, but I've never even noticed noise anyway. I also own the HC3, and the footage recorded live from the SR1 is identical to the footage recorded live from the HC3.
A great camera. The only reason I gave it a 4 (instead of a 5) is that there's no manual shutter speed adjustment, the super-slow motion feature is a bit blurry (although still cool), and the lack of software issue (which will be fixed in due time).
Ridiculous that some reviewers gave this camera a 1 out of 5 simply for a short-term lack of software support. It's the best overall consumer HD camera I've used to date. Reviewers who give 1 out 5 for this kind of equipment are clearly just showing their ignorance, or lack of knowledge in this field.
- 1.0 out of 5
steadyshot stinks,shacky on or off
useless software
have to program fade every time in and out
- 5.0 out of 5
First of all, in response to the previous negative review; "..can't edit SD mpeg2 either..". last night I transferred 35mins of HD footage in 4 mins to my pc! I then "using the Sony software" converted all the footage to mpeg2 and then pulled in to Ulead Videostudio 9, edited and created a fantastic DVD (in SD). The compression is superb of the HD files meaning easy backup onto a DVD. The Sd conversion was very good quality indeed.
The picture quality (HD directly onto my Sony LCD TV) is mind blowing. The noise that some mention is really not a problem (not on my camera anyway). Also dead handy is each time you capture a new file is created which means when you pull each file into a video editing app (well certainly for Ulead) this massively helps the editing workflow.
I cannot praise the camera enough. I was a bit nervous with some of the negative review comments from various "professional" tests but these testers must have been overly anal in their analysis as I had no cause for concern at all.
The only problem I had with this camera was obtaining one from a high st shop, as every shop in a 25 mile radius from Weybridge, Surrey had sold out, so Haywards Heath it was in the end. I saved £100 over the local Sony Centre shops though.
- 5.0 out of 5
Finally!!! A company makes a non- professional camcorder which produces footage which is as good as anything you will see on broadcast TV. When I first bought it I must admit I was a bit sceptical but now I am absolutely thrilled I made the right choice. I have to say though the best way to view footage is to hook the SR1 up to a HD LCD TV with an HDMI cable.
- 1.0 out of 5
Fist I want to say that you should consider the fact that Sony Advertises in the Magizines that review these cameras.. So when you read a rave review you should consider the source..
This would be a nice camera if it worked.. IT does not.. You can not edit the HD AVCHD footage this camera takes.. You also wont beable to edit the MPEG2 SD footage either.. So Unless your spending 1300 dollars just to WATCH your Unedited Footage directly from the camera then your out of luck with this one.. RECORD to TAPE so you can capture Tape in HDV into an editing program.. This product doent belong on the market.. and you will find working with it a nightmare..
Thanks
- 2.0 out of 5
Good recording in HD mode but when you trying to make dvd - thats nightmare!!!!!!!!!!! Sony gives you worst software ever (unless you buy from them for $499). And when your create DVD - it is not playable on regular DVD player!!!!!!!!!! If you buy this camera, buy some special player and very very good PC!
- 5.0 out of 5
This is the handycam that I've been waiting for. It's basically an all-in-one solution for all your digital photography and video needs. I love the factor that the true HD quality is so brilliant and so crisp. The bundled software is also a plus which makes burning to a DVD a snap. The built-in Duo Pro slot is another plus if you would like to save your photo shots to the memory stick. So long to the old school of buying tapes, mini dv cartridges, etc. Once you go HDD HD, you will never want to go back to old fashioned tapes.
- 4.0 out of 5
I really like the sony hdr-sr1 but it can not be used on a mac at all!!!!! (they need to come out with a plug-in for imovie or final cut pro asap) well because of that one small detail I think I will have to bring it back the the store:-( other then that it takes amazin video ohwell mac users dont waste your money!!! (unless they become mac friendly)
- 4.0 out of 5
This Sony Handycam had been advertised to be available for 19 Nov 2006, so it was a pleasant surprise to see it at Futureshop (Canada) on 27 Oct. Having done my research, I snapped it up on the day it came out after a five minute test drive.
The purchase requires a leap of faith. If you are used to HD images on cable or satellite TV, camera is right up there in quality. Colours are bright and images are sharp. Rapid motion in the scene will however test the limits of the compression algorithm and is noticeable but overall the result is very good for a camera in this price range.
With a 30 GB hard drive it records up to 4 hours of video at the highest resolution (1440x1080/60i) in High Definition ( 15 Mbps at variable bit rate). Downloading the video to computer is easy and quick (with an HP Pavilion 7680n dual processor computer)
It also records in standard definition and will hold 7 to 20 hours with choices of 9 to 3 Mbps selectable). I have recorded everything at the High Definition 15 Mbps as the software will convert to MPEG2 Standard defintion- but if you choose to record initially in standard def you can't go back i.e. upvert to High def.
The leap of faith refers to the fact that the High Definition recordings are made to a new standard (variously referrd to as AVCHD, MPEG4 AVC/H.264 standard. So far the only software I've found that will manipulate video in this format comes with the camera.
While the software, Picture Motion Browser is a great video / still digital picture organizer, it can only handle very rudimentary editing of the AVCHD files. As mentioned it will convert them to MPEG2 with a significant loss of quality, and those files can be used by most video editing software eg. Sonic My DVD.
In native AVCHD format it allows you to cut trim the video and either save it to a standard DVD with a scene menu, which can be played on a computer DVD ROM with the AVCHD player included in the software package. You can also load the edited files back into the camera's hard drive and play back on a HD TV with either a composite cable (included) or HDMI cable (optional)
While the AVCHD DVD will apparently play on a blu ray player - there is a strong caution not to try it on a regular DVD player. I believe the warnings and haven't tested what happens if you do.
Got to get a Playstation 3 in November I guess, since it comes with a blu ray player.
While it's speculation, I fully expect Sonic and others to incorporate ACVHD codecs in their packages so that more sophisticated discs can be made from the camera's HD video.
There's a whole bunch of features, as far as I can tell, identical to Sony's previously released HD mini tape and DVD cameras - for example, over 30 touch screen controls to change exposure, white balance, manual/auto focus etc. It has a few gimmicks like black and white, sepia and old style movies. There is built in infrared with infrared spotlignt. The camera takes up to three stills in widescreen (even while you are capturing video) and in photo mode takes 4 megapixel jpegs which either go to the hard drive or optional duo memory card.
If you know nothing about settings, this camera is great beacuse you can take it out of the box, turn it on and start capturing High Definition video in seconds. If you want to fiddle every last parameter, you'll be frustrated unless you trade it in for the high end videocams (at 3 times the price). I like to fiddle with settings and there is enough leeway here as far as I'm concerned.
Tbe Carl Zeiss lens is a beaut with superb autofocusing, (options to spot meter) and great clarity with minimal flaring.
All in all this is the camera I've been waiting for and in all of the one week I've had it, I have yet to be disappointed.
What more interesting is what the camera doesn't do

Sony Handycam HDR-SR1 Comments & Questions (write your own!)
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I think you're right to buy an HD camcorder if you have the money to do it. I think this year the market has shifted (finally!) towards tapeless recording, which usually means recording to a built-in hard disk, and that's a very, very good thing. There are HD cameras that use MiniDV media, but it seems to me that if you can get away from tape, now's the time to do it.
Consider the Sony HDR SR1 ( digitalcamera-hq.com/camcor... ). I don;t think Panasonic is quite up to speed yet with HD and tapeless, and the Canon HV10 HD camcorder ( digitalcamera-hq.com/camcor... ) appears to be a good model. There are few reviews of these products because they are brand new. The reason we feel good about recommending the Sony is that it is based on a similar model that got rave reviews -- the mechanics and image characteristics are proven.
Any ideas would be very helpful.
Any ideas would be very helpful.
Any ideas would be very helpful.
1. Hard disk transfer data is pure digital to digital file transfer, and no image quality lost. miniTape to PC is called capture, may lose image quality during the capture.
2. Hard disk transfer is faster.
One drawback for disk is you are limited to the 30G size. it is a non-removable hard disk drive. What if the event you try to record is very long and will go over 30G.
1. Hard disk transfer data is pure digital to digital file transfer, and no image quality lost. miniTape to PC is called capture, may lose image quality during the capture.
2. Hard disk transfer is faster.
One drawback for disk is you are limited to the 30G size. it is a non-removable hard disk drive. What if the event you try to record is very long and will go over 30G.
Not true. MiniDV tape is just a digital storage medium like a CD, DVD, or hard drive is. When you "capture" from a MiniDV tape to your computer, you're basically copying the data from the tape to your computer. It would be identical to capturing from a hard drive digital camcorder to the PC.
The only way you would experience quality loss is if you're capturing from a non-digital camcorder tape (like Hi8, VHSC, etc.). The word "capture" should only apply to analog sources but it's often an misunderstood term. Probably the best term would be "ripping", like you would do when you copy a music CD or DVD movie to your PC.
Based on their users manual, their editing software appears to be extremely weak to nonexistent.
because you wouldn't need firewire with hard disk camera..
firewire is for dv cameras..
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Additionally, HD has to be shot differently, lit differently, edited differently. It's an entirely different animal, and one that won't really be seen by your market for a few more years yet.
The final nail in the coffin is that while recording in MPEG4 or even MPEG2 is a natural, it's compressed footage. Then, editing it and then recompressing it to burn to DVD potentially kills the resolution advantage of HD, IMHO.
For that price, you can invest it toward an XL2 or even a GL 2 (more likely a used one) and get more more mileage out it.
However it is such a good camera at the price that it is worth buying now & getting a Winblows PC to use the Sony software in teh meantime till Apple integrate AVCHD codec support into FCP/ FCE imo. HDV quality is marginally better but to get the nescessary Mic & headphone inputs you need to spend thousands more to do a pro job.
No i dont hold Sony shares.
P.S. I totally disagree with the above user. If my subject is worth shooting I want to have high definition archive of it now. There is no contest.
If you want to pay hundreds, perhaps thousands, more to have that option (because you feel the need to invest in another computer and software to do it), and you have the money to burn, by all means do so.
The prevailing wisdom by ALL experts is that all HD camera's totally own any even great DV camera even a PD-170 let alone a XL2 or GL2.
gets HC3 if you have to have FCP support right now or use a pc to convert SR1 footage to HDV, or shoot on SR1 in SD till the Mac converter is available.
Dont buy a SD camera and limit yourself.
When market saturation has reached the point that prices plummet and the average user is enjoying HD, that's the time to invest in HD equipment. It's close, but until then, HD is the purvue of early adopters who don't mind paying the premium price.
There is no current Mac software able to deal with AVCHD that this camera uses.
I'd also like to use it when I'm hiking and maybe even skiing. The internal hard drive scares me a little because I know how sensitive a computer hard drive is.
Is this the time to buy or would it drop in price significantly before Christmas, or would better models be out soon?
For my money, a good miniDV camera still does the job.
Don't count on better models coming out soon, the SR1 is brand new, and will probably hover around that price for some time.
You might find something like the Sanyo HD1A ( digitalcamera-hq.com/camcor... ) more palatable. It records to Secure Digital flash memory, which won't bust from shaking.
As far as low light is concerned, I think you'll find both these cameras, which are on the higher end of the spectrum, to be more than adequate.
Dont' get me wrong, I'm not a Hard Drive camcorder fan. I'd much rather stick with the tried and true miniDV for active.
Another thought - how about the Pure Digital ( puredigitalinc.com/ ) flash drive camcorder? The new model will record 60 minutes and has improved audio and video. Fits in your pocket and would be ideal for those more "rigorous" activities. And at $129, it's a good, cheap, alternative that, if damaged or destroyed won't hurt as much as that $1500 model.
For most rigorous outdoor activities, such off-road biking, snowboard, etc, you may want to consider an alternative such as the Samsung SC-X210L.
Just my .02.
Good day!
It also comes with other functions like still camera, web cam, MP3 player, voice recorder and data storage device.
THAT is one cool camera for what you want to do.
Now tell me, noisy? That's a red flag...
Now tell me, noisy? That's a red flag...
atm only editing solution is Sony's own Window's software
Sony SR1 uses MPEG4 (H.264) compression which is not supported by iMovie HD, yet.
Only way to edit the clip is the bundled crappy software - beware of it.
The only problem I have to date is that h.264 is so new in a camcorder that there is no software released yet to edit it, Sony only provides a rudimentary application so that you can view the video on a PC. Of course you can connect the SR1 directly to your HD TV and view it that way. Software release are of course pending from the few vensors I have communicated with - but not dates!
Just to let you know, I have a 2 year old. I was using a Fuji s602 to record her growing up. Mono sound and limited quality made recording kinda bland. But it worked good. When I went to this camcorder it was like going from a bicycle to a new car! Big difference! Its a good idea to keep the HD recordings till you can get a rig to edit the footage. I already have 2 250gig harddrives in a safe place just for that. Congrats on the new baby!
Also see the somwhat pricey remote wireless bluetooth microphone option:
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Other manufacturer's, new high def camcorders should be out soon. They will be compatable to Mac. Sony purposely makes their's not compatable.
This is dissapointing. Mac is best for editing and Sony makes good products. In this case I am planning to buy a JVC camcorder when they come out.
And if they refuse, get your credit card company involved, tell them not to pay the charge.
I bought the camera today after considerable research and am very satisified that eventually I'll be able to edit true 15MBS HD. After shooting around today and playing the output through HDMI, I believe the picture is better than any faux- HD HDR camera that I've previewed.
Go to decklink.com/ for more information.
Even Sony's website states that this format should only be played on Blu-Ray.. WHAT?
<a href="esupport.sony.com/EN/news/a... href="esupport.sony.com/EN/news/a... world of video would have loved this camera, but Sony decides to bail from iLink (firewire) and other useful examples to move to USB..
This is going to be another failed product just as the PS3 and too expensive.
I love the camera, but I want to use Imovie not that crummy windows movie editor.
Thanks!
Michael
Jim
Thanks!
Michael
If my starting point is my high-end Mac workstation-Final Cut and I prefer: 3CCD, (or other path to high-image quality) / external mic jack /10-20X zoom / lean toward 30-60G Hard Disk (but like to hear opinions) and prefer HD over SD (but not if you think HD is not yet mature.
...what brands/models would be your top 2 or 3 choices? (love to do this around a grand, but willing to go higher)
1. Capture AVC-HD footage
2. Drag to your old PC and use Elecard Studio Pro. (Free Demo works but PC only)
elecard.com/products/produc...
to convert from AVC-HD to HDV2 - using preset
(careful, it is not working correctly in Parallels on mac. Really need a PC to do this part)
3. Copy files to Mac
4. Use Streamclip squared5.com/ (free) to Demux the Audio to AIFF.
(drop one clip at a time - so far) - you then have the exported AIFF sound for each clip.
5. Drop the video and audio files into Final Cut Pro, start editing.
Looks like 100% 1080i quality with excellent sound.
Whew!
See my podcast coming soon.
Tech Wizard
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Will the Canon HV 20 be as cumbersome? That's the camera I have my eye on (and there is supposed to be a mic and headphones jack).
Help! thanks.
Also, I expect full Final Cut Pro AVC HD support within 2 weeks after NAB Show
The Canon HV 20 is standard HDV - so it should drop right in FCP. It claims to have true 1920x1080 support - this is new, so Im not 100% sure. Problem - it uses Mini DV Tape.........
There's no question, at the current time, AVCHD is not an option on the MAC. It's barely an option on Windows, as you say, for editing purposes. The only hope is that Quicktime is updated to handle AVCHD. Whether or not that ever happens is impossible to predict. For myself, I intend to get the Blackmagic Intensity card (which will only run on Intel Macs) as soon as other software I use is viable on that platform (After Effects, for example). At that point I can use FCP but still without timecode.
[You do need to do the conversion on either a Windows Machine or use Parallels on Mac.]
I do expect the Apple will release Final Cut Pro 6.0 with AVC HD codec in 2 weeks at NAB in Las Vegas. Its the main rumor this year. Also included will be Dolby 5.1 encoder/decoder for editing. Sony Vegas will also release support for this camera at NAB.
The quality from this camera is very close to my Canon XH A1 camera. For the money - there is no competitor on the market that comes close (IMHO).
I will post a link showing the final web result shortly.
I founded my business on Mac's some 18 years ago and have made a great living doing design for film and video on that platform. I have no personal objections to PC's, and actually have 2 in my studio--one a 64bit dual AMD, but I personally have found the Mac to be more eloquent, easier to set up and stable. Anyone else is welcome and entitled to disagree.
This thread is full of opinion and observation that shows both platforms to be unready to handle AVCHD. To single out one over the other is premature and counterproductive.
As for hybrid cars, yes, I own one of those too. No, I don't get 60 mpg. I only get 47. And, in the meantime, I'm depositing around 16 percent of the hydrocarbons in the atmosphere compared to the average American vehicle. Why you feel that is evidence of "different for the sake of being different" is totally mysterious.
The only "substance" in your arugment is one of strange, angry fear of the unfamiliar.
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Editing on a Mac is now one conversion away using Parallels on Windows in Mac (drop the footage) - Hit 1 click convert to HDV using Elecard presets- walk away ... Actually takes LESS time than doing the normal firewire batch and log import.
Move your files to Mac side and start editing.
But again, nicely done, nonetheless.
As for Jim's comments. This is digital advisor, not political advisor. Hey, that's not a bad idea. 8)
Thats it. Thats my last Sony product EVER unless they decide to listen to what the consumer wants. I have a Pentium 4 with 2 gig and it is REDICULOUSLY slow with video. I give up.
Frankly, if you purchased it recently you may wish to consider returning it in favor of a more compatible camera, like from Canon ( digitalcamera-hq.com/camcor... ).
The download is not available yet but my guess is it is only days away as they already have the specs and instruction manual on the site (check it out at elecard.com)
David, to your question. I am a tech novice too...just an old dad making movies of the holidays and kids.....but I have the SR1 camera...a Mac ...and a XP PC.
The Sony software does not run on a Mac. It is Windows only.
So far I have been downloading the files using the Sony software on the PC. Converting it using the work around described on Jake Luddington's site....using Avisynth/Virtualdubmod/Cyberlink DVD.
Its not difficult....but a right royal pain in the AXXX as you msut do each clip separately. This process can output the files in AVI format.
I then transfer the files to the MAC (via my Lan) ,,,,,recompress using Compressor.....and finally edit using Final Cut Pro. The last step can be batched ....so it is not so bad....but the files are absolutely huge!!
So far I have made three home movies this way....but it is a bit work intensive.
There is a thread on the Final Cut Producer site that says somebody talked to the Apple techs at the NAB show who say they are working on an AVCHD preset as an upgrade for FCP6. Says it is only weeks away. Check this out too.
I could not get the current Elecard demo to work(...I think that...they have the Pro version being dowoaded instead of the regular version and as a result it does not handle HD). The version that I got is clearly labeled "Pro". I asked them re this but so far no answer. Hopefully it means they are working on getting the stripped down AVCHD version up.
Hope this is of some help.
Tim
David
Thanks, Tech Wizard
David
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Note: Parallel users- You must install the AC3Filter encoder to decode the 5.1 surround streems. Its a free download just search google.
apple.com/feedback/finalcut...
This provides direct feedback to the development team. Lets make our voices heard at Apple Loud and Clear! - Spread the link to all you know.
TW
You must have this filter to decode the audio with Elecard Studio and many others.
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Also, I just downloaded SONY Vegas 7.0e - With full AVC-HD support.
It works great for 1 step conversion to full 1440x1080 uncompressed video/video. It even offers a direct AC-3 Dump to 5.1 surround for use in DVD Video Pro.
I will update a new Podcast in a couple of days with this new conversion option! Stay tuned.
TW
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So after hours or dinking around with version 7.0e. My findings are quite a dissapointment.
1. The product really is VERY buggy. It Locks up hard in parallels and on standard PC's.
2. The product requires this outdated Microsoft Desktop Engine software to constantly Phone home to SONY on EVERY BOOT UP, to see if there are software updates or whatever else SONY Wants to do. This part of the software is not supported on VISTA and causes havoc on every other boot.
3. Vegas does not expose the H.264/AVC Codec to the Quicktime export engine (even if Quicktime Pro is installed on windows). - So exporting to Quicktime only gives h.261 or h.263 support. So whats the point!!!
4. Vegas does not play well with the most recent Windows Vista Update. It breaks Quicktime's install badly.
The other options for export are simply not up to the quality you would want from your AVC-HD software. You can choose Loseless AVI but your 5 meg file will be 25-30 meg when you are done. doink. Then FCP will need to re-render anyway. The other options like Cineform, DV, etc are not ready for high def.
It is clear Sony rushed this thing out to stop looking bad. But they may end up looking even worse. I can not recomend this build if you really want the Highest Quality footage out of your camera. Dont waste your time.
TW
I have just installed the Vegas 7.0e following your last post,,,,but had not had enough time to run anything through it. Thanks for the heads up as I will not waste time with it now. I have used Vegas 5 and 6 in the past and it is miserable compared with FCP.
I have been using the original Elecard download (the same as you have on your podcast) and it works fine. I did get tired though of clicking the OK on the demo and wanted to be able to run all my clips in one go.
On that basis I shelled out the 75 USD for the AVCHD version. This can process multiple clips so should be more convenient.
Trouble is the first set of clips I ran through it turned out very "choppy". I tried a side by side comparison and the difference is noticable. Basically jerky video. The AVCHD version has less setting options. The Major difference is the RC mode setting which is in "Variable" only in the AVCHD version and "Constant" in the setting mode you recommend in you podcast.
Do you have any hints for me on this?
I have complained to Elecard and we are now in an email dialogue...the opening comment was "you should have tried the demo first"...well ok but...lets see. Has anybody had success with the AVCHD version?
I have also tried to use the nasty Ulead 11Plus program without success....must be the version I got.
One last question....You mentioned a lens in you podcast...is this the wide angle that I can see in the stores here?
Thanks for your ongoing help!
Tim
I am using Vegas 7.0e on an iMac running XP in Bootcamp. It seems to run and re-encode fairly well with AVCHD content (no crashes, clean video playback, etc.). Since I'm close to being a newbie, I do wonder which CODEC would be best for re-encoding the AVCHD videos? Currently, I'm using the 720i (.AVI) with PCM audio with, what appear to be, fairly good results. The re-encoded files worked fine with Windows Media 11 and MediaCenter. I did have some aspect ratio and other encoding problems with the standard 1080(x) codecs in Vegas.
If you drop a big AVI file in Final Cut - you constantly re-render any edit you make. It slowwws down the whole process. The Elecard solution is much better and your conversion steps are almost loseless. If VEGAS supported H.264 it would be a good choice.
Tim, that really sucks about elecard. I cant believe they wont help you. Contact me directly at email - scooby@wspin.com
P.S. Here is the link to the SONY lens mentioned in my podcast:
sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERS...
I purchased the 75$ version, if that makes a difference.
On my mac i have the ac3 pluggin for quicktime.
The file could not be imported: The file “Untitled/Users/admin/Desktop/encode_00002.mpg” can’t be imported; QuickTime couldn’t parse it: -2048
Q. Do you have the ac3filter plugin installed on the PC you used Elecard on? (not the mac side)
Thats whats needed in the first step to get Muxed audio as part of mpg file you import into QT. Without this, - no audio is muxed into the mpg.
Here is the link.
sourceforge.net/project/sho...
TW
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i do in fact have the ac3filter installed, or at least i've executed the sourceforge file you had pointed me to, still no luck.
First, a question about file sizes. Does this make sense? A 5 minute clip:
> Started as 353 MB as a MTS file
> Became 983 MB as a MPG file out of Elecard
> And ended up as 2.9 GB as a MOV file
Second, I am using iMovie and when I import the MOV file into iMovie it's taking about 5 minutes to import 1 min of video. Seems really slow - does that sound right?
Also, the file sizes mentioned above are just about right. Its a shame they get so big, but thats the price we must pay for now.
My 27 minute in-debth podcast is now available on my site.
I cover the Sony HDR-SR1 in detail including several must have accesories.
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I just found this thread....one day after ordering the sony HDR-SR1 and yes, I plan on buying a macbook pro this weekend as well.
After reading all of the threads posted over a few months I saw.
"The HDR-SR1 doesnt work with a mac, take it back."
"I took it back got a different brand but returned that and went back to the Sony."
"Support for Mac is coming soon."
It has been a while since the original question was asked and almost a month since the last post so if anyone can give the latest news I would appreciate it.
The Question:
Does the Sony HDR-SR1 ACV-HD now work on a Mac? If not, how close are they to supporting it?
Thanks,
Eric
* iMovie refuses to import the clip and displays an alert instead (such as "File could not be imported because QuickTime could not parse it. -2048").
* iMovie allows you to import the clip, however:
o You won't hear audio on playback.
o You won't see video on playback.
o When you export the project to QuickTime, iDVD, or a connected camera, the clip no longer contains audio.
And since SONY directs you to this in Apple's knowledge base, I'd say your SOL.
I just got off the phone with Sony and basically they said The camera is fine, call Mac.
I've always been a Windows user and after too long of being fed up with a crappy O/S I'm switching to Mac.
It's disappointing to me that Mac doesn't support this yet, Have you (or anyone reading this) heard anything about imovie for finalcut supporting this in the near (next 3 or so months) future?
I have played with the camera is circuit city (although i purchased it online at B&H for 500 bucks less) and loved it! I am hoping the Mac will support it in a few months when I am ready to start editing etc.
If you look earlier in the thread you will see a work around posted by the Tech Wizard. I have been using this with the Sony HDRSR1 and it seems fine and not too inconvenient. I had some problems at first with the AVCHD version of Elecard converter....but after some investigation they have fixed it and updated the version they are selling.
I was originally using the full demo (but free) version but got fed up with clicking OK after each clip....and bought the AVCHD version for $75. The other program you need is streamclip which is free. It will demux your mpegs and is very quick and easy.
Output works fine in FCP on Mac. I have made several short home movies with this so far. You can do the whole thing in Windows on the Mac with Parallels as the TWizard demonstrates in his podcast earlier in the thread.
Tim
Again, I use it with a Mac, but in Bootcamp (Windows XP, yuck) mode. Sony's Vegas seems to work great with the camera. Forget about Mac or Vista for right now - which is a shame since it really is a great camera.
The best way is to shoot and edit in HD. Use the Elecard solution with Streamclip....it is really very easy. Then save the finished product as an HD Quicktime file.
Burn the projects as SD DVD's so you can share them today.
Then later you can easily re-burn them onto Bluray or HD DVD (whoever wins).
If you shoot in SD.... it is for ever in SD. Nothing to lose to shoot in HD.
Compressor (MAC) easily lets you take an HD file and convert to MPEG 2 for authoring a(n) SD DVD.
SNOOP'S way is ok too....personally I don't like Vegas compared with FCP. I have Vegas 5/6/7.0e and prefer the option above.
Tim
Thanks for helpin' this newbie :)
-E
And since Blockbuster recently endorsed the Blueray player, the format war may be over sooner, rather than later.
1) iMovie '08 supports AVCHD. Yes, lots of complaints about it, but support is built in.
2) Voltaic (mac1080hd.com/) - $30, drag and drop transcoding of AVCHD to HDV 1080i Quicktime using the Apple Intermediate Codec. It's slow, but worked like a champ for me on the first try. Free demo download will transcode up to 10 files < 20M to confirm it works on your system.
Would be nice if Sony and Apple played nice, but after playing with the HDR-SR1 for a day, and with Voltaic, I'm pretty tempted to pick one up myself.
Hope this helps.
-Eric
However, the good news is that Apple is offering iMovie HD 6 as a download ( apple.com/support/downloads... ) to purchasers of iLife '08 for those unhappy with the transition.
Please use simple terms... I'm not a computer person. =/
Voltaic (mac1080hd.com/) - $30, drag and drop transcoding of AVCHD to HDV 1080i Quicktime using the Apple Intermediate Codec.
Buy this, drop your AVCHD files onto the app, and the resulting files will be usable in Final Cut Express. $30 is not a big deal if you've bought a $1,300 camera. ;)
- Chris
; Mathieu.
1) You can't just plug in the camera and download the movies automatically.
2) You will need to convert the files before you view or edit them.
Neither are a huge pain, but both are more work than other cameras on the Mac.
1) Plug in the camera, on screen choose the computer link icon, and it will show up in your Mac Finder as an external drive. Navigate in Finder to the drive and find the directory somewhere in there called STREAM. Copy that directory to your Mac's hard drive or to another external drive.
2) Buy and install Voltaic. Once installed, you can find the .MTS files from the STREAM directory you copied, and drag them onto the Voltaic application. It will convert the files one at a time to .mov files that can then be imported to iMovie, Final Cut, etc.
Good luck.
- Chris
Not as easy as on a PC?
I have had a much different experience. if you have iLife 08 it is plug and play and drag and drop. Very easy to use...
As for iLife 08 being crippled, it is, but it works alongside with iLife 06, so you can have both.
Probably a simpler option than what I used for my one-time project.
docs.info.apple.com/article...
iMovie ’08 and Sony HDR-SR1 and HDR-SR7 compatibility
iMovie ’08 and the Sony HDR-SR1 and HDR-SR7 camera support AVCHD (high-definition) and MPEG-2 (standard definition) content when the following guidelines are followed:
Sony HDR-SR1 & HDR-SR7 Content Power Mac G51 Intel-based Mac
HD mode - (AVCHD Only) No Yes
SD mode - (MPEG-2 Only) Yes Yes
When the Sony HDR-SR1 and HDR-SR7 cameras contain both HD (AVCHD) and SD (MPEG-2) content, iMovie ’08 will be able to import the SD (MPEG-2) content. However, to import the HD (AVCHD) content to an Intel Mac, you must first erase the SD (MPEG-2) content on the camera.
I have my HDR-SR1 and I use a PC to download the HD movies to it. I know that as early adopter I will have to leave with some restrictions. Right now I do not have too much time to really edit and put videos together, but what I want to accomplish is only display the videos through my old G5 Mac mini.
This is the scenario, I have an old Mac Mini G5 that I use as media center on my living room connected to a 1080p TV. What I want to do is use the Mac Mini to play AVCHD videos recorded on the HDR-SR1. If I copy the HD videos over the network from my PC to my Mac Mini, I am not able to play them.
Does anybody know which could be the best option for me, even if I have to buy an special player for Mac G5 to see those HD videos on my Mac Mini I will be happy.
Let me know which player I can use or how can I use QuickTime (if there is a way)
Thanks in advance for your help,
Zareh
Must I use voltaic? or is there any other method. Or must I use imovie '08?
thank you!!
Does Final Cut Studio 2 have any troubles with the Sony cam? Either be it SD files or AVCHD files? I'd like to be able to edit both. I don't edit strictly in HD.
Icurrently have all the video that i shot on my remote hard drive in Mpeg2 (m2ts) format. will iMovie '08 or FCP recognize this?
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Comparing the quality. well I don't know. I can say that the HD mode is way more detailed than anything I have seen. I took the same scenery and recorded with the same SR1 in all the different recoding modes. When you jump to HD its like going from crayons to neon's! The color is much more detailed and vibrant.
The ONLY problem (not a big problem) I see in the SR1 is the ability to record well in poor lighting. Although it does record better than anything I have seen in a consumer camcorder in dark rooms it still isn't a prosumer recorder. And the 2mp picture recording that is capable while simultaneously recoding footage is not that great. It looks more like a 1MP or lower capture. But the 4mp captures look very good.
This software is great because it records directly to hard drive in SD or HD, and turns your camcorder's drive into a backup.
While HD is coming along, I personally don't think it's quite ready for prime time. It's still an early adopter toy and until market saturation for HD reaches a tipping point, it's one expensive toy when you consider needing to purchase an HD TV, HF DVD player, etc.
a regular DVD. This is possible if your PC has Windows Media Player #10 installed along with the Magix 11 Video Software or another video editor that handles HD video. You'll be able to get the HD 720P DVD play back with HiDef DVD Players; however until then you'll only get standard DVD play back till you obtain an HD DVD player. Windows Media codecs are already an accepted standard built in present DVD and future HiDef DVD players; so at least you'll have a real method of burning HiDef 720P DVDs from you Sony SR1 HD camcorder. I've actually done this process and it actually works; only down side it will only be HD 720P DVD using this particular method. My computer system could only handle the HiDef 720P conversion; with a better system you'd be capable of getting the 1080 I HiDef
DVD accomplished.
Thanks
If you want to install just the driver then of course your computer will open the usual Media window and ask you if you want to play or open the files. When you do it will open the folders created inside the camcorder but will not show thumbnails because of the codecs used. So my suggestion is buy the camcorder, install the software and check it out! i dont think this camcorder will disappoint you.
I got the HDR-SR1. I transfer the files from the cameras hard drive to the computer using the USB. How do import them into Sony Vegas Movie Studio 7? This software says it supports these .m2ts files, but when I try to import them, Sony locks up and/or crashes. What am I doing wrong. Please help. I would really like to edit this stuff.
I had the same problem. I think I figured it out. I hope it works for you. Here goes. I found that I have to use the Sony Picture viewer to not only to view the .m2 files but also to transfer them to my computer from the camera. Cause if I dont them I can edit them! i use to just connect the camera and open the folders in the camera and drag and drop like any other files from a harddrive. When idid that I noticed I couldnt edit the m2 files. After using the Sony Picture viewer I could. So apparently the Sony Picture viewer is adding something to the files to maek it compatible with the Vegas software. Try that and get back with us here. Im interested to know the outcome.
The conventional DVD holds about 4GB of data, 9GB in dual layer. Blue Ray holds 25 GB of data (and TDK has developed a six layer disc that holds 200GB). HD DVD holds 15GB, 30gb in dual layer.
That is a large enough amount to hold the massive amount of data required for the high resolution HD image.
( I-link) in & out. Sure it,s tape but it,s here now.
Thanks,
angie
angie
Did you make it work.?
I tried it but I didnt make it work
I have tried using my GeForce 7600 GS video card, but it turns out the S-video jack on my card in an OUTPUT. I need an INPUT. And of, course, the S-Video jack on the HDR-SR1 is also an OUTPUT.
Are any of you familiar with the AltoEdge USB Video Capture Device (altoedge.com/usbcapture/ind... Although it looks good, upon closer inspection, it appears that it requires an S video input on the camcorder. My camcorder has ONLY these connections: A/V out, component out, HTML out, DC power in, microphone power in and the USB cable connection, which does not appear to work in Vista Ultimate 64 bit.
I think I may have to install a TV card inside the computer capable of taking direct input from the camcorder.
ANY AND ALL IDEAS ARE WELCOMED (especially brand names of relevant TV cards)!
Dale Patterson
Thank you!
As for outputing the HD only BlueRay for 1000 dollars will meet that need.. And YOU CAN NOT EDIT footage from this camera at all.. NO support.. If you down convert to MPEG2 the Quil is like VHS when you burn your edited footage to a DVD
Also note that you can enjoy standard definition versions of your stuff now by editing and reencoding and burner to regular DVD now as well. That way you don't miss out on enjoying special moments just because you want to save a buck.
Also, if you plan on doing this, recommend you get a separate hard drive for it. A big one. Because that way, if your main drive fails, you won't lose the files.
Sony's HDR-UX1 ( digitalcamera-hq.com/camcor... ) and the HDR-SR1 ( digitalcamera-hq.com/camcor... ), however, are designed with HDMI ports. The downside is that dreaded proprietary AVCHD format ...
But once the prices drop, there will be a ripple effect to HD DVD players, HD burners, HD media, etc. But you have a way to go yet.
But when it does, you'll probably at least need to beef up your PCs RAM, get a much larger hard drive, etc. Video is enough of a hog, but when that video is HD video, the bandwidth will certainly overflow.
If you're happy with the answer you received, you can simply click on "Mark for best answer" bubble and it will close out the question. Thanks for posting it and Good luck!
And if you've tried everything, you may want to contact Sony for service recommendations.
There's a grain of truth (punny, huh?) to this in that rice quickly sucks up the surrounding moisture. Make sure the environment is free from excess humidity, drop the wet device in a container of rice and let it sit. For a better desiccant, it'd be a good idea to store all those little silica gel packets that come in anything from shoe boxes to moisture-sensitive gadgets.
BTW - I noticed that you haven't marked any replies as the "best answer." Are you still looking for an answer? If so, I recommend you re-submit it on digitalcamera-hq.com so it will have a better chance of being noticed. These days it looks like most questions are being answered within a few days. Good luck!
If you're happy with the answer you received, you can simply click on "Mark for best answer" bubble and it will close out the question. Thanks for posting it and Good luck!
Sony has an article on this in their knowledge base (Knowledge Article C213310):
"Macintosh users can import video and still images directly into the iMovie and iPhoto software applications provided their camcorders have the following output jacks:
* i.LINK® port - also known as IEEE 1394 and FireWire, use this connection to import video directly into an iMovie project on your Macintosh computer. www.apple.com/support/imovie
* USB port - use this connection to import still images directly into an iPhoto project on your Macintosh computer. www.apple.com/support/iphoto
Not all Sony camcorders have i.LINK ports. If your camcorder does not have an i.LINK port, you may be able to transfer your video from your camcorder to your computer using another method. Refer to the list below for compatiblity information on the various ports available on Sony camcorders. "
But Sony has also said that there are compatibility issues and recommends using analog capture as a means to transfer footage. So, as with anything, your mileage may vary.
i am wondering about the AVCHD files that come from the new Sony HDR-SR1's, that only save on hardrive.
Please clarify if possible.
thanks much,
Malcolm
One of the things that keep me from buying SONY.
If you're happy with the answer you received, you can simply click on "Mark for best answer" bubble and it will close out the question. Thanks for posting it and Good luck!
So my questions still holds, in case anybody can help.
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Does it change to english language?
Planning doing the same as Gonz did... :D
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Good luck
Thank You
I bought mine from Japan.
Does anyone have any information?
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Helps?
So, in order to capture/edit your footage, will have to "re-encode" (also called demuxing) the footage into an editable format. It's a hassle for those of us who wish to edit our videos as a hobby.
But the good news is that Premiere Pro 2.0 may be able to handle the HD signal. Check out this article ( digitalproducer.digitalmedi... ), which includes a link which may be able to help you configure your camera properly to capture.
My suggestion is also to cruise through Adobe's Knowledge Base for tips on how to handle the HD format.
Thanks a lot :)
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You will need to buy separately a 1394 firewire cable. 4-pin on one end for the Elura 100 and a 6-pin on the other end for the standard firewire port to the computer. I purchased this cable at a local BestBuy store.
The Canon Elura 100 is action packed with tons of features and functions, more than your average user will ever use. Its an incredible consumer DV camcorder for the money. The Elura 100 is very versatile and designed for just about any shooting situation. The Elura 100 has an impressive picture quality and its about as good as it gets for a single CCD chip consumer DV camcorder. Its a very quite digital camcorder in comparison to the analog camcorders and its extremely quick of switching from play mode to record and vice-verse, about two seconds. I have used one now for about 5 months and I can honestly say that if I was going to make the purchase over again, I would still end up with the Elura 100 for being one of the best all around consumer DV camcorders in that price range. HD Camcorders are nice but it still needs more time to become mainstream and better priced.
Good Luck!
Piero Foto
If you are viewing the movie from the camera useing the USB 1.0 the sound may goes on and off and you get bad timming between movie & sound but for transfering the movie to your PC it will not be effected by the USB 1.0 except that will take much more time to transfer to the PC, but it doesn't effect the quality of the movie transfered.
Enjoy & Good Luck
I have a Mac Pro. I have to download to my PC, then there are "drivers?/files?"to download that will tell the video on my PC to reformat for MAC, or "Go MAC Ready", then they will transfer to my MAC. I'll get back with more details.
OPT.2) go to DVD, then RIP from DVD to MAC
So I'm pretty sure this feature is on this deluxe model from Sony.
AVC HD 15M (XP): Approx. 240 min.
AVC HD 9M (HQ): Approx. 420 min.
AVC HD 7M (SP): Approx. 510 min.
AVC HD 5M (LP): Approx. 660 min.
As for comparison, SD Mode:
SD 9M (HQ): Approx. 440 min.
SD 6M (SP): Approx. 650 min.
SD 3M (LP): Approx. 1250 min.
The issue is, that MPEG2 files are difficult to edit and are usually required to be re-encoded into something easier to cut, like AVI files or MOV files. That's changing as many more editing applications will import MPEG2 files. But usually you need to "demux" (or join together) the video and audio MPEG2 files in order to create a file that is easier to edit.
Here is one suggestion that would solve the Video8 to DVD MPEG compression problem. I would take all your original Video8 tapes and transfer them directly to a computer hard drive or miniDV tapes, then you will be able to edit your video footage uncompressed for best quality, no more MPEG problem. You can do this with an "Analog to Digital Pass Through" cam. You can get a very inexpensive one that will give you a high quality transfer for around $209 USD.
Here are some links: "Analog to Digital Pass Through"
NTSC ZR 700 MiniDV $209
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PAL Canon ZR80E MiniDV
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PAL ZR 700E MiniDv
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I am not quite sure if are saying that have an HD camcorder or not. If you are still deciding, then I would recommend the Canon HV20 hi def that uses miniDV tapes. You would then not have a compression problem. An HD camcorder with miniDV tape would be the king and undisputed for transfer quality.
MPEG compression is problem when you do anything else after shooting your original footage from a hard drive or disc camcorder. The video quality straight out the HD camera is great, but after its transferred it becomes whole different ballgame. The final transferred quality gets degraded and would be equivalent to a lower model 3-CCD or a higher quality single CCD camcorder at best. It kinda defeats the the purpose of buying an HD cam.
Good Luck and Happy Shopping!
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Absolutely, even though the video files end up crossing the same finishing line, the higher quality video input will still be much better at the end result.
(Quality-in, Quality-out ___ Garbage-in, Garbage-out)
I have conducted many digital imaging tests in the past including various film resolutions. Higher resolution digital files are packed with much more data to begin with, so when a certain amount of data gets removed from compression, the higher resolution files will always hold better color and cleaner detail picture rendition.
The best video media format available for editing, transferring, and making DVDs is the miniDV tape system. You don't want any camcorder that records compressed MPEG formats, like hard drive and DV disc camcorders, because then you have decompress the file and re-compress it again when you transfer it and burn a DVD disc on a computer or a stand alone DVD burner. Every time compression is applied to an image file the worse the picture quality renders. I would only recommend MPEG file format camcorders just for shooting and playback purposes, not for transferring, editing, and making DVDs. If the end quality result is not a concern, then the next best choice is a hard drive cam over DVD disc camcorders.
The HD camcorders I would recommend is the Canon's HV20, and the HV10. Both models are Hi Def and record uncompressed video on miniDv tapes. The HV20 has HDMI option which is nice to have if you have or are planning to get an HDMI TV.
HV20 under $899
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HV20 $999
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HV10 around $649
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Happy shopping!
thx again
I point you to this discussion ( digitalcamera-hq.com/camcor... ) which discusses the problems with trying to make the HDR-SR1 compatible with a MAC.
Your best hope at the moment is MPEG STREAMCLIP ( apple.com/downloads/macosx/... ) which can perhap re-encode SONY footage and make it mac compatible.
But I'd do some serious testing before I dropped $1350 x 3 on a camera.
Suppose I want to combine 24P HD footage from the HV20 with 30 frames-per-second HD stock footage in the same film--how would that work? And what if I shoot low-light subjects in 24P (I've read that works well with this camera), and outdoors at 30 frames on the same tape; would combining those clips in the same production pose any problems?
And broadly, why is there such interest in a "film" look; aren't the colors dulled down versus video?
When I rent a standard SD DVD feature film and put it into my DVD player, is it playing back at 30 frames per second or 24?
As you can tell, I'm lost! Can you help sort it out, or point me to any articles on the subject? Thanks.
First, I would like to so say you made a very good choice with the HV20, secondly, its nice to see someone give a detailed question as yours. Most digital questions on this site are barley even completed, and they say one thing but mean something else.
The 24p feature as you already know gives you a slightly different look and feel simulating film on your video. What's the big deal, well, for a number of reasons its just as important to set the feel and mood of your recorded coverage as the coverage content itself. Movies, Documentaries, and TV series seem to be more successful with a film texture. Game shows, informative videos, and talk shows seem to more better with a studio video look. Wild life like national geographic now seems to be presented very nicely with an HD vivid video look. I have found TV sitcoms are most successful when they have a film look to them, they seem to be taken more seriously. In the earlier days every TV program was generally shot in film, then when studio video broadcast became more main stream, the film looking format still seemed to be more successful. If programs like Hillstreet Blues, Cheers, Star Trek, or Seinfeld was recorded in a studio video look, it would have never been taken as seriously and would have not successfully lasted as along. Think about it, Sopranos in a studio video look, it would have cheapened the look, it just wouldn't of work.
For documentaries, I highly recommend the 24p frame rate. You can mix the 24p & 30p frame rate together, but your video look you present has to be justified to the message you are trying say. Even though your final edited version may all play back at 30p frame rate, the original look of 24p should still remain the same. Depending on your editing software and your final edited file format, you should have the option to record your final edited version in 24p, but I believe this would worsen your end quality as it throws detail data out as it reduces the file size. It starts getting a little complicated at this point. Whether it actually plays back in 30p or not, the main point is how you originally recorded it. The 30p play back frame rate would be better in picture quality even though you recorded it in 24p. The higher the play back frame rate the higher the resolution appears. 24p works best on high end and hi def camcorders because it has allot more video data to work with.
Low light shooting with 24p can be interesting of giving you a more enhanced film grain look as in motion pictures. The HV20 should give still give you some nice results with minimal shadow noise because of its extra packed video data in comparison to SD video.
Bottom Line: You really need to experiment with all your options before making a decision of how you are going to record your video footage and how you want it look as an end product.
Good Luck, and Happy Shooting!
Piero Foto
As I came across your question again, I was wondering how much knowledge you had on fps(frames per second), including fps in different video film formats, and interlaced frames etc. Below is a link that is loaded with info and hopefully will clarify some of the technical issues you have or will encounter. This link will lead you into multiple other links that are related some how or connected to your question. Its a good link to save for future use.
FPS, a measure of how much information is used to store and display motion video. The term applies equally to film video and digital video. Each frame is a still image; displaying frames in quick succession creates the illusion of motion. The more frames per second (fps), the smoother the motion appears. Television in the U.S., for example, is based on the NTSC format, which displays 30 interlaced frames per second (60 fields per second). In general, the minimum fps needed to avoid jerky motion is about 30. Some computer video formats, such as AVI, provide only 15 frames per second.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video
To summarize the central points: You recommend shooting in 24p (including outdoors and in bright light?), and rendering the final work in 30p. And even though the footage is shot in 24p, but shown in 30p, the look and feel will still carry over, and will actually produce a higher quality product (in terms of the film look) than if shot originally at 30p.
I read the article you recommended and it was helpful; in that or one of the other articles it links to there's a mention of some complications in taking 24p footage and showing it at 30p. You didn't mention it specifically, but would I be right in saying that feature movies on DVD are indeed produced and shown that way--in other words, just as I mentioned at the top of this post, and how I'll plan to do it myself?
The Canon HV20 has both a 24p shooting option and a separate setting for film-like color and tonal characteristics; I'm guessing you'd recommend using the film-like setting along with the 24p mode (Canon says they can be used separately).
I shall as you suggest shoot some scenes using both 30p and 24p, and see how they look, but I'm certainly going to be leaning towards the use of 24p based on what you've said and everything I've read so far.
Thanks!
ADMINS: It was really a challenge to find these excellent question and answer pages when I came back to your main page--I'd suggest you put a prominent link there. Also, I needed to contact you about something, but the feedback and contact links don't provide a form or an e-mail address; it looks like the wrong pages are associated with those links.
In the past a number of years ago, they used to transfer film at 24fps for broadcasting through an analog system called "telecine". This system would sync 24fps to 30fps for video TV broadcasting. The look still remained as a film look, but with video simulating film on video, its not really the same results. 24fps shot on video is a simulated and artificial film look which is not bad, but its still not film. I will admit that its definitely a nicer look than video for certain applications.
Motion pictures produced with film cameras are shot at 24fps, when the final edited version is complete to make a master for DVDs, its converted and synced to 30fps for video. The key word here is "synced". If you record at 24fps and play back the same original media source at 24fps, then a one recorded second of time plays back as one actual second of time. If you record 24fps and play the original media source back at 48fps, then two recorded seconds playing back in one second and you get double the speed for fast motion. The reverse would happen if you played back the original 24fps media source at 12fps, you then get slow motion at half the actual real time speed. So, when you "sync" one media to another it plays back as actual recorded time regardless of what the frame rate originally was. There are just to many elements mixed in a soup here to go through every detail of explanation.
The bottom line:
You really need to experiment to see how it all works and what brilliant error you encounter of maybe inventing a new technique. If the the film like color on its own seams just right for you, then shoot at 30fps, but whether the functions are used in combination or as a stand alone, the main thing is to shoot with what ever is going to make your end product perfect for you. As an artist, remember one important thing, there are no rules and you are allowed to think outside the box. That's a sign of a genius!
Good Luck!
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I have one more question, and that's about purchasing the HV20. You've posted a link to a vendor called cameraaddict.com in other threads, and they've been displaying a price usually in the mid-$800 range, and well below what well-known vendors are charging. They're located in Brooklyn, and a couple of years ago when I was buying a digital camera I tried to get the very lowest price and dealt with a couple of outfits in Brooklyn and it ended up being a pretty rough experience. Have you dealt with this vendor, or do you know others who have? Can you recommend them beyond the price? I notice from their site that if anything goes wrong their return policy is a scant 7 days.
Actually, there's one more question: How long have you used the HV20? I'm curious because it's just becoming available right now, and I've only seen one in-depth online review so far.
Other store review sites are not as reliable. I've never gone wrong with an online seller based on reviews from Resellerratings.
I own a Canon miniDV, but not the HV20. If I had the HV20 I could give you some specific advice on camcorder itself but unfortunately I don't.
1-800-927-1489
I am on hold right now through their automated phone system, but I doubt its going to be answered by a rep today.
Good Luck!
Included Accessories
- Battery Pack (with Terminal Cover)
- Compact Power Adapter
- N Stereo Video Cable
- Wireless Controller
- USB Cable
- S Component Cable
- Digital Video Solution Disk for Windows and Macintosh
- 1 Year Limited Warranty
Also when you order, I suggest a minimum 2GB SD memory card, 4GB would be better in case you run out of tape or decide to record video on the memory card itself.
I live in New York and they will under no circumstances let you come by to pick up or solve problems.
Sites you can trust I've dealt with many times: tigerdirect.com; newegg.com; ecost.com; ritzcamera.com; zipzoomfly.com; and of course always a pleasure to shop at B&H (also closed for Passover)
Spend the extra $200 and get a valid US warranty, non-gray market product and NO HASSLE. FYI: If you buy with most Amex cards, they double the mfg warranty, which I believe is 1 year for the HV20; so that's 2 years. I had a problem with old hardware that mfg warranty expired and Amex replaced with no questions asked, just receipt. Awesome.
Products without warrenties and sold as gray market are classified as import products. I have purchased a Nikkor lens that way, I got it real cheap as it had no warrenty, but I never had a lens fail on me over the past 30 years so I was not concerned. Some people buy "import" non-USA products and then get a service plan which is far better than the manufactures warranty.
If you are not comfortable with the whole idea, then shop at an authorized canon dealer, just pay the price for piece of mind.
This site here "Best Price cameras.com claims HV20 as factory new with full US warranty. Take a look!
HV20 "NEW" with full US warranty $799
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HV20 "NEW" with full US warranty $999
Package kit - with lenses, tripod and more
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The additional package kits that you can add to your HV20 can be useful if you don't have any accessories yet, but you can also buy all your accessories alacart so you get exactly what you need.
Keep in mind that a good video tripod has either a friction head or even better is the fluid head for smooth camera panning and tilting movements during recording, you will get more professional looking results. A monopod is great for hand held shooting, it gives you a much more stable shot than free hand shooting. You can use a monopod while sitting or standing, its better than trying to lean against the wall, or leaning on a rail or table, its perfect for long shooting events. A monopod is very portable like a telescopic cane.
If you use a telephoto conversion lens, then you must use a tripod or monopod. The image stabilization is only going help so much for extreme zooming. Without a tripod or monopod when you are zoomed in at more than 20x optical, you get results like you are swaying at sea with the waves.
Monopods:
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Another important thing to keep in mind, audio sound recording.
I am suggesting a wireless mic system as another option for external mics because it can work well in recording distance sounds. If your documentaries include people talking, the lapel mic(Lavaliere) can be placed on your subjects lapel/collar area. This will assure that the surrounding sounds and noises do not drown out, muffle, or over power your subjects voice. The Lavaliere mic is a miniature mic which is descrete looking with a transmitter that is usually clipped to the waist area or placed in pocket. The reciver part is plugged into the camera, so this will allow you to record audio in a far distance in the audience like on a balcony level in a concert hall and record her voice as if she was standing next to you.
There are different models of wireless systems, some are made for better distance and more reliable signal strength. You should base the signal strength required by at least doubling the distance you actually need to be more reassuring in covering you for better signal transmission.
Some wireless mic systems come with both a hand held mic and a Lavaliere mic, including transmiter and receiver. Some systems allow you to use multiple mics. They are very easy to set up, you just need to flick a switch on the transmitter and recever so they match up frequencies and you are ready to go. Having the option of selecting a different frequency is good so that you change it any time you feel that one signal frequency is better than another for that location.
Reviews have not been the best for Nady and Sony models, they can be cheaper and would be also considered more of a toy. Azden seems to be very good brand in wireless mics, they are taken more seriously.
Wireless camcorder Microphones:
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This site here is very good for advanced/pro videographers.
The "VideoGuys.com"
videoguys.com/azden.htm
Here is a movie editing software that can be added to your computer in addition to what you may already have.
Editing software option: "Intermediate level"
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Good Luck, and Happy shooting!
Signing off.
Piero Foto
If you can click all the helpful thumbs up at the bootom of my responses that would be great, I have already done that for Documentary Maker, and Al.
Thanks!
You made a good choice.
Russ asked if he would loose quality switching from a Sony HDR SR1 HD camcorder to the Canon HV20. Maybe you guys can reassure him that the HV20 is the way to go, especially for Mac. Let him know that you guys decided on the HV20. A few simple words would be great.
Thanks!
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So I'll add resellerratings.com to my favorites. The Amex information was very helpful too; I had to use their "disputed charge" service to reverse a $40 charge for a fake helicopter gadget I bought at Christmas that wouldn't work at all--and the vendor was recommended by a well-known tech site (they had no problem with their review product from the site, but I did when I ordered too close to Christmas). So I've used that service successfully, but I wasn't aware of the two-year warranty coverage--so thanks for that too.
Piero, I have a basic tripod...but I've never heard of a monopod, so I'm going to check into a better tripod, and a monopod too. You've been really helpful. And now we both know of a couple of "too-good-to-be-true" low-price vendors to avoid too.
This has been one productive thread!
As for AMEX: Check online for your type or call, not sure if all double the warranty.
Good luck.
Read the info in link on miniDV tapes.
In general I know that emulsion formulas can be different from one type or brand to another, but this just confirms the exact difference for HD tapes:
Its best to find one good brand and stick with it. You will get longer cam head life in the log run, plus it will easier to maintain consistant picture results. HD miniDV tapes are generally loaded with more metal in the emulsion, more metal, faster head wear.
Maxel HDV tapes is superior.
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I also want to share with you guys my first movie cam I got when I was a film student. Back in '78, I had a Canon 1014XL-S movie film cam, it was like having a cam comparable to today's Canon XL2 DV video.
Check it out
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The time lapse features are cool for animation. There are features and functions in this cam that are not even available in today's camcorders. By the way, I am holding it in my hand as I am writing this response. Many great memories. I still have the film editing equipment and Multi track sound-on sound movie projectors. I have used it professionally until around 1992.
Check out the impressive specs
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The HV20 records in 24p(fps-frames per second) and it is stored in a 60i stream for NTSC(North America) (likewise, 25p is recorded but stored as 50i for PAL format (other countries). It is done that way to work with existing standards.
The 24p recording is only stored in 60i and seems to be a desirable choice by many reviews I have read. 30p would be standard playback frame speed rate.
24p(fps) is what's used in the professional motion picture industry. Many people have been waiting a long time for this feature in a video cam.
On the flip side of the coin, if you can get about about 5 good recordings out of one HD/HDV tape, then your cost per tape recording goes right down. It will work out around the same price as SD.
What a great thread this is. I have a few questions and thought it may be fitting to post them here since this thread has drifted a bit from its original topic.
I just recevie my new HV20 on Tuesday and was excited to finally have a chance to check it out. There are a few things that are a bit problematic though, that I was unaware of before I bought it and want to know if there is a way around them.
1) audio - i have a professional mic package of a shotgun and wireless mics, and a 2 channel xlr adapter i was able to attach via the rca mic input. But in testing it today, I was only able to moniter the audio level of both channels combined. There does not seem to be a 2 channel view option available. This makes TRUE monitoring a problem if I do use both mics as I had planned to. Any way to fix this?
1a) Also in the audio department - it seems that in the 2 HDV modes, there is only the option for 12 bit audio recording and that in order to get the standard 16 bit option, you need to shoot in SD. Is this the case or am I missing something (I hope I am as it seems shooting anything 12bit is substandard for broadcast quality projects.)
2) I was reading your information about shooting in 24fps. I admit I am still confused as there are 4 options for shooting with the HV20: SD, SD Widescreen, HDV, HDV 24fps. Ideally I would like to shoot HDV 24fps, but I will most likely be needing to incorporate found footage that will be on different formats (DV, VHS, PAL, NTSC) and was told by a post house, the safest way to shoot would be 60i. Although I was still not sure if that meant HDV or SD, and whether that meant 24fps was out of the question. If I do shoot in SD that would solve my 16bit sound issue, BUT it defeats the purpose of buying the HV20 for the HDV 24p capabilities.
3) Tape stock - so if Maxell is the best in your mind, where do the Sony tapes fall on the scale? (and on a side note, I notice you mentioned shooting on the SD card in a previous post on this thread, but I didnt think you could shoot movie footage on the SD card with the HV20.)
We can start another great thread. Its best to post a new question so that it will easier for others to find in case they have some of the same issues or for anyone else that wishes to respond to.
In the meantime I will look into some info for you.
I will be looking out for your question.
Thanks!
Best,
Alisa
Your question can be posted at the top of this page where is says:
Have a question about the HV20?
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I bet anything that the good reviews on other sites are from company guys.
Its the usual experience for everyone...order and get a mail to call...then the sales rep who is not only rude (understatement) but also one who threatens.
After i asked them to cancel the order because he lied to me that cacorder doesnt come with a battery (imagine that...do they think ppl r idiots? and buy stuff w/o knowing?) he asked me to apologize (when he was the one who was rude) or he'll keep the phone down and charge 180$ (for nothing!!!)
i suspect they are just there to harass people...a set of SAIDSTS or worse IDENTITY THIEVES bcause if its just money they want to cheat on they could have let the order thro' and overcharged.....but they make u call and talk utter rubbish on the other end w/o respect for age or gender.
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Since Sony does not support Mac, I understand your video transfer issue.
First, you will need to keep in mind that you are starting off with a compressed MPEG video file format. Once you transfer your footage to your PC then to DVD disc, then to your Mac for editing, and then again to DVD, you are compressing, uncompromising, then compressing, un-conpressing, and then finally compressing again. All this data loss at every transfer stage is going to leave you with a poor quality video, just good enough for a low quality QuickTime movie or a video emailing file. Is this what you want as an end product?
If you are going to expect a high quality DVD from your Mac after transferring an MPEG file from your PC, its not going to happen. Its going to be tough enough getting a high DVD copy from your PC before transferring to your Mac. It might just be better editing in your PC computer to save a couple of generations of data loss. There other conversion software programs available, you just need to do a search on google under "video MPEG conversion Software".
There are a number of video coversion software programs for PC and Mac that might help you to convert a file easier and hopefully will retain some high video quality for transfers and DVDs. For PC you can get "MPEG-X" video conversion software, and for Mac you can get "ffMPEG-X".
PC
MPEG-X
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Smart Soft
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Mac OS X
ffMPEG-X
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Multiple conversion softwares
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Good Luck!
If its not to late late to return your camcorder, then do it this minute.
The HD camcorder to get is the Canon HV20. The HV20 is the cats ass in best HD video performance for transferring, editing, DVD copies, especially with Mac computers.
The HV20 uses miniDV tapes, the kings in consumer camcorders for the advanced videographer, undisputed. miniDV tapes are a preferred choice by professionals because it does not record with an MPEG file format. The miniDV tape will hold the best quality after transferring video to your mac and burning the best DVDs. Hard drive and DVD disc camcorders record in a MPEG compression which will loose picture quality when transferred and they are also not as computer friendly as miniDV camcorders.
Canon HV20
HV20 under $899 "best price"
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Happy Shopping!
If you have no choice and you want to transfer the video footage from your Sony to PC, then to Mac. You will need to burn a DVD disc from your PC first, then put it your DVD player on your Mac and down loaded. This is not going to be an easy task, as DVDs are very difficult to copy. You will need special software to decode the DVD to download or copy. Another way is to look into a multi-media players that can download different video media formats and record to any other type of media formats, but these kind of video devices cost more than an HD camcorder itself. You would be better off buying the HV20 instead.
Good Luck!
Absolutely not, in fact the HV20 will increase your quality.
The HV20 outperforms the HDR-SR1 in many ways.
SONY:
First, lets start with Sony's way of business. Sony is mainly geared the mass consumer market and all their consumer camcorders lack many functions and features that are needed for advanced videographers.
When you buy Sony you are really buying into Sony. Sony makes it very difficult for third party compatibility with accessories, software, and even Mac computers. Just today, some one asked about getting a wireless mic for a Sony camcorder. The only option was a Sony wireless mic system that costed $500 and it didn't even compare in quality with a $150 mic system from a third party manufacture. Its a bitch when Sony gives you no choice, but to buy their own products without delivering the performance you expect. I have stayed away from Sony for 20 years now because of this.
CANON:
Canon is one of the strongest contenders in consumers camcorders and they keep the entry level beginner to the advanced/pro videographer in mind. First, the fact that HDR-S1 records in an MPEG file format and the HV20 does not, already answers your question that the HV20 is better. The HV20 also has a larger pixel count CMOS sensor for better video and still photo quality, plus a lower lux rating than the HDR-S1. The HV20 also works like a charm with Mac computers. I use mine with a dual core Mac book Pro and it works great.
The miniDv tape system is the undisputed video system. The HV20 does not record any compressed MPEG video files for recording so your original video data remains at its best quality for transferring, editing, and burning the best quality DVDs. MiniDv tape recordings are much more computer friendly.
Bottom Line: I have already mentioned the main quality points of the two camcorder comparisons, when you get your HV20 you will find many more great things about it. My professional choice is the HV20 for best overall performance.
Happy Shopping!
There are better options. If you are still in the market of purchasing, then I would suggest the Canon HV20. You will have more options with allot of less cam issues. Sony in genaral is more geared to the point-and-shoot consumers and not very versatile with features for the advanced videographers or for special shooting specifications like yours. Plus, when you buy Sony you are buying into Sony as they lock the consumers in buying only their own product accessories. Sony is the worst when it comes to third party compatibility. If you edit video on a Mac then forget Sony altogether.
First, here is an overview on the the media types of consumer camcorders to give you a better perspective of choosing the right camcorder for you.
1)Mini DV tape camcorder 2)Mini DVD disc camcorder 3) Hard drive camcorder
If you plan to edit your footage or movies on a computer so that you can cut out unwanted video footage, and or maybe add special effects, music and titles, or just make DVD copies, then a mini DV tape camcorder is the way to go. Mini DV tapes has longer recording times than mini discs and is also more reliable. The tapeless hard drive camcorders does not have an issue of running out recording media, but your video footage cannot be physically removed from the camcorder, it can only be electronically removed by computer or a stand DVD burner if you want to back up the video information on another storage system. The mini DV tape and mini DVD disc media can be considered as instant video backup storage when physically removed from the camcorder.
Mini DVD Disc and Hard Drive camcorders are limited and record in a compressed MPEG2 format which are fine if your intentions are just to shoot and leave the video footage in its original media format for viewing playback only. They are not as computer friendly as mini tape with editing software or transferring to DVD on your computer, also the image quality will not be as good when transferred. The mini DVD disc camcorder has the advantage of putting the disc in direct to a DVD player after recording. The hard drive camcorder is nice because it gives you a big storage space to accumulate allot of video footage without ever any need to change your recording media, but if the hard drive malfunctions some how, or the camcorder gets damaged, or gets stolen, then it will be good bye to all your recorded memories if you haven't backed it up
Bottom Line:
1) Absolutely, and undisputed. MiniDV tape camcorders with out MPEG compression video files are the kings in video transferring, editing, and making the best video picture quality DVDs. MiniDV tape camcorders is the preferred choice by professionals until new technology can prove otherwise. 2) The DVD disc camcorders are great for anyone who wants an instant DVD video disc to play directly to their DVD player with out the issues of dealing with computers or stand alone DVD burners to make DVDs. 3) Hard drive camcorders would be the preferred choice over DVD disc cams, because its not as difficult to download video to a computer as DVD disc camcorders and it can hold much more video data. But downloaded video from a hard drive camcorder would not be as good quality as video from a miniDv camcorder because it will be compressed twice when it gets to DVD, whereas the video from the miniDv tape would be compressed once only when making a final DVD copy. So, the end quality results would be better in a miniDV tape system.
The Canon HV20 HD (hi def) miniDv tape camcorder is the way to go in general and for for overall best performace. The HV20 offers the versatility for the advanced videographer to adapt to more of your specific video needs. Lets not forget the great HD video picture quality. The HV20 will have the external Mic, HDMI, and A/V ports required.
Happy Shopping!
Generally the HV20 sells for around $1050
This site here "Best Price cameras.com claims HV20 as factory new with full US warranty. Take a look!
HV20 "NEW" with full US warranty $799
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When you get a minute, check out and surf this site, it has allot of great video stuff.
This site here is very good for advanced/pro videographers.
The "VideoGuys.com"
videoguys.com/azden.htm
Check out all ratings before you buy.
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Happy shopping
I hear you about Sonys habit of going down their own road with very few after market accesories at reasonable prices. Sony's accesories prices are horrible.
I'm going to gather all the information I can about the HV20. After reading your post you seem to have done the homework for me. I don't want to make it my lifes work looking up all the camcorder specifications, so I may just buy the HV20. I especially liked what you had to say about the miniDV tape system and the analog inputs.
Thanks again BOb
Canon HV20
Ladies and Gentlemen, let's get ready to rumble! Welcome to the ultimate HDV camcorder battle of the year: The Canon HV20 ($1099 MSRP) vs. the Sony HDR-HC7. The HC7 unsheathes its 1/2.9 CMOS chip and spews out 3200K gross pixels, but is countered by a blast from the HV22 1/2.7 CMOS chip, which hurls 2960K pixels in the HC7s direction. The HC7 flings a slew of features at the HV20: manual focus wheel, mic and headphone jacks, and a touch screen LCD. The HV20 answers with its own manual focus wheel and mic and headphone jacks, but twists the knife deeper with a rear-mounted joystick and 24p mode! The HC7 has a simulated digital cinema effect, but will likely not match true 24p video recording. The HC7 has an Active Interface Shoe (which is a Sony proprietary fit) and Memory Stick Duo slot at the HV20. The HV20 counters with a hot shoe and SD card slot, two features that are universally recognized. And now the HV20 is going for the jugular! The HV20 flips its price tag and the crowd goes wild! For the price of an HC5, you can have the HV20 with its 24p recording with tried and true Canon imaging. The HC7 weeps in the corner, plotting for next year.
Compression (7.0)
The Sony HC7 uses HDV compression, a flavor of MPEG-2 with a fixed data rate of 25Mbps the same as standard definition DV compression. HDV is a terrific format in terms of video resolution, though it suffers a bit when capturing fast motion due to its use of I frames. In a 1080i camcorder like the HC7, this means that only one in fifteen frames is a full-frame picture, while the intervening frames are compressed in relation to each I frame ââ?¬â?? a technique known as interframe compression.
Its interesting how Sony got away from miniDV tapes and now brought it back, but it records in MGEP2.
We all have heard that if it sounds too good to be true it probably isn't.
Well I just got off the phone with best price camera trying to order a Canon HV20 for their price of $709.00. Then I find that it only comes with a 20 min battery so I get the kit #1 with the 3 hour batt. plus other things like 5 DV tapes which are standard not HD. Then I upgrade the tapes for another 65 dollars to HD. Then He says what charger do i want to buy? UH. I ask if it comes with a charger and he says no. When I asked the price for the charger the manual one is $ 150 and the quick is another $ 50.
Let's see $709 +80 +65 + 150 is $ 1004.00. That's just to use the camcorder at it's basic HD level.
I thank you for the generel info but I'll look for a vender that will sell me a complete basic operating package at one price. I hope there is one out there!
The HV20 in general sells for around a $1000, I was hoping there would be some light shed with this low price. The HV10 can be a great alternative for a lower priced HD cam. It has a boxy style cam body, but then again, its not going into a fashion show. The HV10 offers a great quality video picture with features for advanced videographers. There has been allot of good reviews.
The closer competitively priced camcorders from online retailers are usually the retailers that are straight up.
Before you buy, its best to check out the retailers ratings, I am glad you called them first.
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Good Luck!
Yes you can.
If you are still in the market of buying, I strongly recommend the Canon HV20 for best performace of dowloading, editing, and making the best quality DVDs. The HV20 uses miniDV tapes which is taken much more seriously by advanced/pro videographers.
Every digital camcorder in general now-a-days record very nice video quality at every level, form low end to high end, and from DVD cams to miniDV cams. The major difference is the media type of the camcorder itself which will determine the best way do deal with the video footage once its shot for transporting, editing, video conversions, and burning DVDs.
The key word you want to stay away from is MPEG. Any camcorder that records video in an MPEG format are the camcorders you will need to stay away from if you want best performance to download, edit, and make great quality DVDs. The miniDV tape camcorders are the only camcorders that do not record video in an MPEG format, but some of the latest versions of miniDV camcorders now do record with MPEG format, so you have to be careful when selecting a miniDV camcorder.
Here is a link to more Cam info:
Question:
Want to purchase a new HD Camcorder - which one between these: HV20, HDR-SR1, HDR-HC7
digitalcamera-hq.com/camcor...
Just in case the question was not fully understood, you can make more detailed comments in the reply box below. We will be more than happy to conclude your question.
Thanks!
just to clarify
All DVD disc camcorders record in MPEG format.
All Hard drive camcorders record in MPEG format
All the new miniDV camcorders record in MPEG format except the Canon HV20.
Some of the few miniDV tape camcorders remaining that do not record in MPEG format that are worth looking into are:
Panasonic GS180
Panasonic GS320
Panasonic GS500
Canon ZR700
Canon ZR800
Canon ZR830
Canon ZR850
Sony HC46
The best quality is camcorders that do not record in MPEG format.
digitalcamera-hq.com/camcor...
Some JVCs I believe are hybrids, but I can tell you that they all record in a compressed MPEG file format for both on hard drive and miniDV tape. If you don't mind loosing some video quality and taking the extra step in converting the MPEG file for editing, then it won't really matter what you buy.
I hope this helps.
What ever you buy, make sure its not a DVD disc camcorder. A DVD disc camcorder will give you many problems with downloading to your computer and editing the file.
1. What's best for audio and visual?
2. MiniDV, Hard Drive, other? What's best?
3. Mic recommendation?
4. Other than the basic lighting kits and stands, do you recommend different lens?
I know that's a whole lot of questions but if you have input on any part of the question, I sure would appreciate any help I can get. It's hard to learn all this from scratch!
Thank you,
Jen
I am not sure what your price range is. If you are using a Mac computer, that cancels out Sony automatically.
Before you decide, here is brief overview on different media types of consumer camcorders just in case you are not aware. This will give you a better perspective of choosing the right type camcorder for you.
1) Absolutely, and undisputed. MiniDV tape camcorders with out MPEG compression video files are the kings in video transferring, editing, and making the best video picture quality DVDs. MiniDV tape camcorders is the preferred choice by professionals until new technology can prove otherwise. 2) The DVD disc camcorders are great for anyone who wants an instant DVD video disc to play directly to their DVD player with out the issues of dealing with computers or stand alone DVD burners to make DVDs. DVD disc camcorders were not designed to interact with computers. 3) Hard drive camcorders is nice because it can hold allot more video data than DV tape or DVDdisc. Hard drive camcorders would be the preferred choice over DVD disc cams, because its not as difficult to download video to a computer as DVD disc camcorders, but hard drive camcorders just like DVD disc camcorders records in an compressed MPEG video format. MPEG compression video files from hard drive or DVD disc cams will not be as good quality as video from a miniDV tape camcorder because the video file will be compressed twice when it gets to DVD, whereas the video footage from the miniDV tape would be compressed only once when making a final DVD copy. if you record your edited version back to miniDV tape to play back video to your TV, then you have no compression and will get the the best picture quality possible. This would be the best system for large screen TVs.
If you are mainly shooting video for online visuals, you don't really need a killer high quality video camcorder. An in expexpensive cam with the proper features would be the ticket.
First, take a look at the ZR700, its an excellent choice for overall performace and versatility under $299. It offers external mic port and a number of features that will work well for online visuals on a Mac or PC.
Another inexpensive model that has some similar features and that will also work nicely for web, is the Panasonic GS180 at around $399. The GS180 is a 3-CCD camcorder which will give a little more refined video quality.
Each of these camcorders have just enough features to do the job and they both record on miniDv tape without MPEG. If you insist on the best consumer camcorder that the market has to offer, I would recommend the Canon HV20.
The Canon HV20 would be more than enough for TV broadcast and would give better results for transferring/downloading, editing, and making the quality DVDs. The HV20 also shoots in 24p(fps) and stored at 60i which is the standard frame rate used in the motion picture industry. This 24p feature will give your video the look and feel like it was motion picture film. It also records in both wide screen 16:9 and 4:3 ratio. Plus, the HV20 also shoots in SD video mode just like the ZR700 and GS180. The HV20 is the best of both worlds together in one camcorder, high definition and standard SD video.
The HV20 records video on miniDV tape and without an MPEG video format, just like the ZR700 and the GS180. The HV20 is the best overall consumer camcorder on the market, hands down, and undisputed.
Happy Shopping!
Here are a couple of accessories ideas that I would recommend, but not necessarily these brands depending on which camcorder you choose:
Wide angle lens for indoor studio:
(Make sure to get a stepping adapter lens ring to fit your camcorder)
Here is a Kenko SGW-043 0.43x Mini Ultra-Wide-Angle Conversion Lens.
audio-discounters.com/sgw-0...
Mics for nicer audio sound a must for commercial video use:
Microphones
tecnec.com/attachments/tnca...
Cheap external mics that you might get away with. I have used the Sima shotgun mic, its really good with controlling background noise, and focuses its audio sound in the direction of your subject.
Mic external condenser mic. Technica $35
amazon.com/Audio-Technica-A...
Sima Shotgun $30
audio-discounters.com/mzm-1...
Happy Shopping!
And you saved us a HUGE error with the Sony not being compatible with the Mac. So thank you very much.
Oh, and your overview of the different formats was superior. Very clearly you directed me to miniDVs as I was doing much hand wringing over whether or not to go to hard drive as that sounds like the right way.
I've got three more questions!
1. I'm looking at the Canon HV20, do you think I should buy the Canon HV10 for a better value?
2. I'm also considering the Panasonic AG-HSC1U. You like? $2,000 msrp
3. Do you recommend that I buy last year's models to save?
Ok, I won't bug you any more!
Jen
I try to base my answers from hands on professional experience and real life situations rather than solely from published specs, that's what makes my responses are more in depth compared to most posted reviews.
Now, if you want to use a high quality camcorder for general uses over and above your online business, then that changes the ballgame. The best overall consumer camcorder is the HV20, without a doubt its the cats ass, but the HV10 is also a great choice. The reason why I did not mention the HV10 was because of its boxy design, I keep getting this feeling from consumers that their choices are based on a fashion show. Since you have mentioned it, I consider you a smart lady.
The HV10 actually out performs at least 90% of consumer camcorders on the market. It produces a very High video quality and just like the HV20, it records both SD and HD video. Plus, it records on miniDV tape with out MPEG video compression. The HV10 also has a number of features for the advanced videographers, but if you are looking for an HDMI connection for HDMI TV you need to look into the HV20.
The Panasonic AG-HSC1U produces an excellent video quality, but it records in an MPEG-4 video format, which is better than MPEG-2 but its still compressed either way. The quality in Panasonic AG-HSC1U far surpasses web requirements and if you use the video straight from the camcorder to HD TV, then this is a nice choice. However, the HV20/HV10 will maintain a superior picture quality in a final edited movie because it does not record with MPEG. Plus, tapes are cheap, and as consumers are starting to fill their hard drive camcorders up with video footage, they have never considered of how to store their video. Video storage will cost more in the long run from a hard drive camcorders. If you want to try keeping the best video quality, you have to keep buying external computer hard drives, or the cheaper way is to store them on DVDs and loose video quality.
Now, consider this, with hard drive camcorders if you start with an MPEG compression, then it has to uncompress to computer hard drive, then it will have to compress again as an MPEG when its stored on a DVD, then to edit you have to uncompress it back to your computer, then once editing is finished you will have to compress the video file once more to MPEG on your final DVD. Your quality will be so bad, it would not surprise me if the video looked like if it was shot with a cell phone. With miniDV tapes for original video footage can be stored on the tapes themselves without any MPEG compression until you are ready to edit, even 10 years later. "Applause"
Conclusion: The HV10 may look boxy, but the video quality is real foxy! The HV10 would be considered the best overall camcorder in the mid-high end class. Its the best performance you will get for the price range. The ultimate choice is the HV20. For a great allround low budget camcorder for your online web work is the ZR700, or the GS180.
Final words. I am suspecting that you will be using a tripod for studio shooting. If you are, I strongly recommend a heavier duty tripod with a friction head or even better a fluid head. This will give you nice smooth panning and tilting video recording like a professional movie production.
Happy Shopping!
I am not sure if you are planing to use iMovieHD or not, but Final Cut ExpressHD will be your step up. Its an advanced/ pro level editing software for Mac. Its a great price at around $299, worth every penny. Final Cut ProHD is the full blown out version at around $1000, but the $700 difference doesn't justify the few extras it has to offer for your type of work.
Click the link, sit back, and watch the video editing demo:
apple.com/finalcutexpress/q...
iMovie video software tour, just click "Play all" on Apple's iMovie page:
apple.com/ilife/quicktour/i...
Canon XH A1 is what you can work up to in the future if consumer camcorders eventually won't cut it.
reviews.cnet.com/Canon_XH_A...
One last camcorder I did not mention was the Panasonic GS500. Its also an excellent camcorder, but for the same money, the HV20 gives you HD video, HDMI connection, and 24p.
Signing Off
Piero Foto
I found a place online, brand "new" camcorders.
HV20 $867, +$40 per year extended warranty.
ZR700 $250, +25 per year extended warranty
GS180 $403 +25 per year extended warranty
They do not have HV10.
I talked to them personally myself to make sure their straight up.
if you are interested I will give you info.
Published Artical:
Canon HV20
Ladies and Gentlemen, let's get ready to rumble! Welcome to the ultimate HDV camcorder battle of the year: The Canon HV20 ($1099 MSRP) vs. the Sony HDR-HC7. The HC7 unsheathes its 1/2.9 CMOS chip and spews out 3200K gross pixels, but is countered by a blast from the HV20 1/2.7 CMOS chip, which hurls 2960K pixels in the HC7s direction. The HC7 flings a slew of features at the HV20: manual focus wheel, mic and headphone jacks, and a touch screen LCD. The HV20 answers with its own manual focus wheel and mic and headphone jacks, but twists the knife deeper with a rear-mounted joystick and 24p mode! The HC7 has a simulated digital cinema effect, but will likely not match true 24p video recording. The HC7 has an Active Interface Shoe (which is a Sony proprietary fit) and Memory Stick Duo slot at the HV20. The HV20 counters with a hot shoe and SD card slot, two features that are universally recognized. And now the HV20 is going for the jugular! The HV20 flips its price tag and the crowd goes wild! For the price of an HC5, you can have the HV20 with its 24p recording with tried and true Canon imaging. The HC7 weeps in the corner, plotting for next year.
Compression (7.0)
The Sony HC7 uses HDV compression, a flavor of MPEG-2 with a fixed data rate of 25Mbps the same as standard definition DV compression. HDV is a terrific format in terms of video resolution, though it suffers a bit when capturing fast motion due to its use of I frames. In a 1080i camcorder like the HC7, this means that only one in fifteen frames is a full-frame picture, while the intervening frames are compressed in relation to each frame a technique known as interframe compression
Later!
Just following up to see what you have decided on and if the additonal info was helpfull.
Also, hold off on the HV10, I came across some mixed reviews on a few features that will be needed to better suit your video needs.
Thanks!
My one question I would like to throw into the mix (since I don't use a Mac) is, have you looked at the Sony HDR-SR1? Thank you!
The Sony HDR-SR1 is a good camcorder, nice quality.
Since I do not know what your video needs are, this camcorder may or may not suit you.
If I have not answered your question, you can post a new one at the top of this page that says:
Have a question about the HDR-SR1? Enter it here:
digitalcamera-hq.com/camcor...
Also, check your manual.
Model name and serial number are located on the sticker attached to the bottom of the camcorder.
High Definition Handycam Camcorder HDR-UX1 and HDR-SR1 Recorded Sound Issue
support.sony-europe.com/Hot...
Moreover, Model name and serial number are NOT located on the sticker attached to the bottom of HDR-SR1.
I was once a SONY fan. These days I pitty SONY, and this is going to be one more reason.
I have a qMasters in EE and I write this after spending 15 mins searching for serial #.
If the Sony website would make clear how many digits a serial number has or what its general format is, this would help.
High Definition Handycam Camcorder HDR-UX1 and HDR-SR1 Recorded Sound Issue
support.sony-europe.com/Hot...
Pinnacle Systems www.pinnaclesys.com Studio Plus 10.5 Titanium Edition /Supports HD MPEG-2-4 Win XP minimum system requirements 1.4GHz 512MB
The SR1 produces a very nice high quality video, but it best performs when you play the original video footage directly from the SR1 camcorder to TV without burning a DVD, because it records with an MPEG video file.
If you want the best consumer HD camcorder, I suggest to get the Canon HV20. The H20 does not record in an MPEG video file like the SR1, which means you will have a uncompressed video recording on miniDV tape that will work the best for downloading, editing, and making the best quality DVDs.
If you start with a compressed MPEG file produced from the SR1, you will have to uncompress and convert the MPEG file the video for editing, once you are ready to burn a DVD it will have to be compressed again to an MPEG file. Every time the video is compressed, you will lose video picture quality.
One of the great things about the HV20 miniDV tape camcorder is, you can transfer your final edited movie back to the HV20 on tape and have no MPEG video compression, wheras the SR1 would have an MPEG file thats compressed twice. This will make a big difference in a high resolution video for viewing on a large HD screen TV.
The HV20 offers firewire(1394) connection for faster downloading. The HV20 is both PC and Mac compatible, plus it will work very nicely with more HD editing software than the SR1.
Keep-in-mind, when you buy a Sony, you will not have much of a choice but to buy Sonys over priced aceessories since Sony camcorders are not generally copmatable with third party products.
Happy Shopping
Here are a few HD editing programs that will work with the SR1 and the HV20. These programs also support both MPEG and uncompressed video.
-Adobe .Premiere Pro 2.0 >$849 Win XP SP2
-Avid Technology .Liquid >$499 Win XP
-Grass Valley .EDIUS Pro version 4 >$699 Win XP
-MAGIX .Movie Edit PRO 11 >$50 Win 2000/XP
-NewTek .SpeedEDIT >$495 Win XP
-Pinnacle Systems .Studio Plus 10.5 Titanium Edition >$99 Win XP
-Sony Media Software .Vegas+DVD 7 $720 Win 2000/XP
Good Luck and Happy Film Making!
For internet video it does not require to have the highest resolution camcorder, but rather for certain features like an external mic option would be nice. So, for you tube, if you chose a camcorder that recorded in an MPEG format it would not be as critical, which means your selection of camcorders are greater.
If I was still going to suggest the best miniDV camcorders choices according to my original specifications towards editing without an MPEG format, these are the following camcorders that can be used for your needs that surpass the quality requirements for internet, and give you some manual feature controls for the more demanding videoographers.
These SD(standard definition) camcorders listed below are easy to import video for editing, and making very good quality movies. They record both on miniDV tape and SD memory cards. They will do the job to suit your needs with spending allot of money. They all have an external mic option except the GS320. With SD video you don't need to buy HD editing software, but if you do it will still work wth SD video.
Low-mid quality camcorders: (around $275-$450)
Panasonic GS320
Mac or PC
Panasonic GS180
Mac or PC
Canon ZR700
Mac or PC
Canon ZR850
Mac or PC
Sony HC46
PC
These three camcorders are miniDV camcorders that do not record in MPEG video format, so its better for editing your movies on your computer that will produce the best overall video quality and far exceed internet video.
Very high quality: (around $600-$1000)
Sony HC96
PC
Panasonic GS500
Mac or PC
Canon HV20
Mac or PC
NOTE: The Sonys do not have firewire conection, which is not a big concern since you use a PC.
Happy Shopping!
If Sony had a big enough market share of their own brand name computers, Sony camcorders would only be working on their own system. "When you buy a Sony you are buying into Sony". Sony in general give their buyers no choice but to buy their own overpriced Sony accessories. Many consumers such as myself have stayed away from Sony for many years because of this. Sony makes good products, but many consumers refuse to be handcuffed to their products and deal with the limitations of not being able to use third party products.
My opinions are unbiased and I offer advice according to my hands on experience and or professional knowledge. My decisions are based on overall performance of digital devices, and make no difference to me even if a brand name is called "Chin-Chang".
I hope that these responses have answered your questions.
Happy Shopping!
as I was going to buy the brand new SR1, but I have seen a lot of researchs, saying the picture is (poorly =) not sharp compared by the much better Canon HV20, so I went back to the Sony SR30 harddisk recorder.
Now I have it and it make absolutely perfect PAL movies on disk. I load down the files very fastly by USB 2.0. The Sony SR30 was in repair, to adjust the sharpnes at far distance. Now it is ok and for its money, was 500 Euros, it is a good decision.
Or company is converting DLT and LTO training files into internet loadable wmv formats (free of charge) and the handling and quality is much better than needed.
look here : useddlt.com/der_hoertest.0.... and convert to German
So we will not buy a HDTV camara in the next future.
Gert
An afternoon of sports would use up a lot of mini DVs, otherwise I would love a Canon.
Also the 3.5 inch screen on the SR1 is a plus for me to minimise putting my reading glasses on and off.
Hard drive camcorders may not be the answer for you.
I would recommend miniDV tape to still be a better choice. Hard drive cams record in an MPEG video format which has to be converted and uncompressed to edit, whereas miniDV that does not record in MPEG and would be better quality and more efficient. Plus, with hard drive cams it will be more costly down the road to store your footage on other hard drives. If you decide the cheaper way to store your footage on DVDs so you can edit later, you will just be compressing and un-compressing your video multiple times only making the quality worse each time. Also, if you run out of drive space on location for what ever reason, you are generally screwed.
With miniDV cams, you can leave the original video footage on tape uncompressed until you are ready to edit, this will be the best way for your final edited video results. In addition, tapes are the cheapest video media source, and its not a big deal to switch out tapes every two hours of coverage which can take less than 30 seconds.
Bottom Line: I say get the Canon you love! The HV20 would be nice.
Here are a few camcorders that I would recommend which do not record in MPEG, and would give you excellent versatility for overall performance.
Canon ZR850, ZR700, HV20
PC & Mac
Panasonic GS320, GS500
PC & Mac
Sony HC46, HC96
PC only
Happy Shopping!
i would like to be able to make a holiday video ,edit it ,and then burn to dvd and watch it on my conventional dvd player,is this at all possible.
it's possible, sure.
James is correct with file converting. Once you have converted your video footage for editing, you will then be able to burn your edited video on regular DVD and play it back on a standard DVD player. There are many editing and file conversion programs out there.
Down the road you can think about an HD DVD burner/player.
regards Steve
Also do i have to connect any other cables to the tv to watch hd video straight from the handycam.
any info appreciated
Any HDMI cable will work.
HDMI cables have come down quite a bit in price, but depending where you buy it, the quality, and the length of the cable, they can cost from $10-up to $250.
Regular grade 1080p HDMI:
cables.com/Merchant5/mercha...
Super high resolution 1080p HDMI:
cables.com/Merchant5/mercha...
"HDMI stands for High-Definition Multimedia Interface Cable. It will only work with a digital display, and not with analog. It will only accept a single link connection, and not dual link. This cable supports HDCP. CABLE BOX TO TV CABLE. HDTV. HOME THEATER."
If you don't use HDMI connection, the next best is component cables from your cam to HD TV.
Happy shopping!
Yes, it should work just like a miniDV camcorder.
After you edit your downloaded video, you can make a DVD disc or transfer it back to your camcorder so you can watch your editied movie on TV.
The best system to do this with is the miniDV tape camcorder, because the miniDV does not compress the video files, not when it records or even when it transfers back to the camcorder. Hard drive camcorders record compressed MPEG files, which means it will compress again when you transfer the video back to your camcorder. Each time the video is compressed you lose picture quality. The end result of your edited video from a hard drive camcorder will not look as good an a large HD TV as if you used this transferring method with a miniDV tape camcorder.
Bottom Line:
-Yes you can transfer back on a hard drive camcorder.
-The miniDV is the best becuse it does not record in MPEG
-What ever you decide to buy, stay away from DVD disc camcorders, they are the worst to work with computers.
Happy Shopping!
In general, all video formats take-up allot of hard drive space in comparison to any other file types, such as photo files. An AVCHD file has more compression than MPEG-4, so it should not take up tons of hard drive space as uncompressed video. I would estimate a one-to-one ratio from the SR1.
Depending on what editing software you use, you may be able to import mpeg2 directly. But understand that you're already starting with compressed footage, so the resolution quality will not be as good as if you had shot native with MiniDV tape (which shoots in uncompressed dv format) and captured to your PC.
You can go HD, sure. If you choose a hard drive HD camcorder, you're having the same problems. And it's a good idea to avoid cameras that encode in AVCHD simply because it's a proprietary format and only one editor has support for it that I know of at this time - ULead Video Studio 11.
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Sue
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What you'll need to do is get MPEG Streamclip ( squared5.com/ ) which can reencode the video signal once you get it on your mac. Use it to reformat the file into something you can edit in iMovie or whatever editor you plan on using.
If you are using FinalCut, then you may have the ACVHD support already - if it's a current version.
Good luck.
I agree with James about Sony, in addition, Sony is very limited when it comes to compatibility with third party software and products.
I would strongly consider the Canon HV20 to use with Mac, it can also be used for PC based computers. The HV20 or any cam will need to be connected via firewire with Mac. Just connect the camera to the Mac and import the video through the editing software, keep-in-mind that any video cam will not be seen on your desktop like an external drive.
The HV20 records in HD and SD video, so you get the best of both worlds.
Happy Shopping!
Generally, cams without manual audio controls and VU meters should have built-in auto limiters to prevent sound recording from over peaking which results in distortion.
Your new Sony should work the same, but I can bet that its the quality of the mic itself. Sound distortion is normally minimized or eliminated when using higher quality mics. Since you may have no other choice than to only use the limited selection of Sony mics, you may have to get an audio mixer as James has suggested.
Bottom Line:
The 5.I channel consumer cam mics still require allot of improvement. I would first try the best stereo mic you can get for your Sony cam, you will get a much better and stable sound.
btw if you don't have a wind screen setting I'd suggest putting a small piece of foam in front of the microphone, it should help.
Mitch
It may be easier to capture/record the video signal on your pc and then transfer the mpeg footage onto your camera. But you'll probably have to make sure it's in the proprietary format of AVCHD before it'll read it.
Too bad becasue I really need that option and I had the camera for 2 days and I love it so far!!!
It may just be what you need.
One was the not being able to get video into it and he second one was not being able to take pictures while you playing back the video on the camera.
In summer time I used to record hors and hors. of thunder storms at night just to get lightings and then play it back on my old DV camera and take a picture of it at the right frame!!!!
I wonder why they dont have those features anymore on a camera like this??? is it becasue they are digital HDD or something???
:)
Look forward to your future questions.
JD
That's changing mind you. As we head towards 2009 (the year that Uncle Sam has mandated for moving television broadcast into the HD spectrum), prices have dropped dramatically this year on HD televisions (from $8K to just over $1K), but let's not forget that you'd also need an HD capable editing software, HD DVD burner, HD dvd player, etc. There's also the silly Blue Ray/HDDVD format war that's been waging, forcing concent providers and users to choose sides. Thankfully, as more multiformat DVD players/burners come on the market, this will be less of an issue.
And you need to unlearn and relearn how to shoot HD. And how many friends and family are actually investing in HD at the moment? Sharing HD DVDs with them will be a problem. So, for at least the next 6 months, HD is still out of reach for the mainstream. But it won't be for long.
And in buying an HD camera, you have to also upgrade to an HDTV, HD DVD player, HD DVD burner and use expensive HD DVD media. And since there's yet another petty and rediculous format war going on between HD DVD and Blue Ray, which one do you get? And that also has an issue with what others have. All this, and the fact that HD is still the purvue of the early adopter has prices very expensive and it all adds up.
So, it's up to you if you want to get in on the ground floor of HD, or wait until the tipping point has been reached with prices, availability, and market saturation. My bet is you'll be ready when you're looking to buy your NEXT camcorder, not this one.
Now that I've tried to talk you out of it, you may be saying "who is this nutjob? Can't he just give me a recommendation?" Well, sure I can.
The Canon HV20 ( digitalcamera-hq.com/camcor... ) is a good choice. 1080i. 24p for that filmlook quality. Optical Image Stabilization, even 16:9 widescreen. The HV20 also features a 3-megapixel still camera and 2.7-inch widescreen LCD.
But here's the thing. It's miniDV. Trust me, this is still a better way to go. Reason being is that hard drive based camcorders, while convenient, encode their footage in MPEG2 or the proprietary AVCHD format, which video editors are just now starting to offer plugins for to handle.
So, if you want to edit your footage, take out wasted scenes, add titles and music, etc., you're taking a hit in video quality by shooting native with a hard drive camera in MPEG2. And even though you're doing it in HD, the MPEG 2 is still a compressed format. So once you're finally ready to burn to DVD, you end up recompressing that compressed footage.
Oppositely, miniDV cameras like the HV20 are much more robust and a much better in format because once you've captured, edited and then burned to DVD, you aren't recompressing already compressed footage, and can choose the best encoding format for you.
But with hard drive based footage, it's far less convenient for those of us who wish to edit our videos as a hobby.
However, you may simply be driven by convenience of shooting it and watching it. That's fine. Nothing wrong with that.
You could look at the SONY HDR-SR1 ( digitalcamera-hq.com/camcor... ). It meets your requirements, and hovers around, but slightly above, your budget. If you're a MAC user, however, you may run into compatibility problems.
Which brings me back to the HV20.
If you are mainly interested in a high quality automatic point-and-shoot cam that is Mac compatible in your price range, then I suggest the Panasonic GS320 miniDV. Sony is generally not Mac compatible but some videographers have used the Sony HC96 with Macs. The HC96 produces high quality video on miniDV and offers more versatility, features, and manual functions than the GS320. The HC96 is around the top of your price range.
The GS320 and the HC96 records uncompressed SD video on miniDV tape which is the preferred choice by professionals over hard drive and DVD cams because the video file does not have to be converted when importing your footage into computer for editing.
Keep-in-mind that DV camcorders do not show up on your Mac desktop like other external digital devices normally do, the cam is detected by your editing software and is imported directly into iMovie, Final Cut, and etc.
Happy Shopping
Other recommended Mac & PC based compatible miniDV cams with firewire connection:
Lower Budget:
Canon ZR700
Panasonic GS85
Mid-Range:
Canon Elura 100
Panasonic GS320
Sony HC96 (double check for Mac compatibility)
High-end:
Panasonic GS400
Panasonic GS500
Canon HV10 (high definition)
Canon HV20 (standard definition & high definition)
If you are looking for great versatility in functions, features and overall performance such as: an external mic option, analog to digital pass through, memory card video support, manual override and programable control, then I suggest the Canon Elura 100 over the GS320. For a general automatic point-and-shoot cam that will produce a high quality video picture, the GS320 is a great choice.
Happy Shopping!
But I think you may need a conventional HDMI cable as the manual makes no mention of a miniHDMI jack. So you may need an adapter.
As for making one, I took a trip over to videohelp.com ( videohelp.com/forum/archive... ) and found this possibility:
AVCHD is an odd beast. Not the easiest thing to work with, but the number of supporting apps are increasing.
Your choices are the following:
Elecard AVCHD Converter Studio
elecard.com/products/produc...
TmpgencXpress v4
tmpgenc.pegasys-inc.com/en/...
Sony Vegas v7
CoreAVC with Avisynth --> Feed to your favorite Encoder. Both ConvertXtoDVD and FAVC are really good. ConvertX has better DVD menuing, FAVC has a better encoder and is free
Also, regarding UDF 2.5, are you certain XP can't just read them natively ? I thought only older O/Ses had problems with UDF. And I believe IMGBurn can read that format, as it certainly can write to it.
In addition, Nero ( nero.com/nero7/enu/index.html ) now has AVCHD support.
That's enough to get you started.
Like can I install the UV Filter First and then since the UV Filter also has threaded end I could install the Wide angle lens,,,is that ok to do?
Or by having the Wide angle lens the UV Filter doest do anyhing???
Thanks
And yes, you can use both. But remember what you lose.
Thanks you for your comment!!!
I'm using Pinnacle Studio 10 or Unlead Video Studio 8 and sometimes Windows Movie Maker this is juts to make Videos and post them on the web.
Then I Use InterVideo WinDVD Creator to make DVD's and with this one you can directly cut Video and stop from the Camera since I just Plug the Video/Audio RCA Connectors from the camera to my Computer,,, but I dont think it does full HD DVD's.
To make Full HD DVD you would have to use the Picture Motion Browser software and copy the HD Files from your HD Camera and compy or make DVD like that but I dont have an HD DVD player so when I made one like that didnt work on my DVD Player.
I hope this helps!!!
Gilbert
But if you can get the footage on the mac and you have iMovie 08 or even Final Cut, you can edit it.
If anyone has had this experience or has any answers I would love to hear about it.
You may also want to check out Final Cut Pro Express.
But I believe I've read that the HR1 has surmounted much of the Mac compatibility issues.
As to how it will sound in stereo speakers, it'll sound like stereo. According to the manual, the sound is converted to 2 channel stereo when played back in your camcorder. If you dont' have a dolby receiver, you won't experience any worse audio than stereo. (page 40 of the operating guide)
Having said that, I think you'll need to keep in mind what editing platform you'll be using. If you're on a MAC, you'll want to be sure you're using the very latest software in order to have compatibility with the SR1. On the other hand, JVCs may not be too compatible either.
If you're on PC, then you don't really have to think as much on that end. Personally, I agree with Leo LaPorte. If you're going to be dropping a thousand dollars on a HD camcorder, you won't do any better than the Canon HG10. ( digitalcamera-hq.com/camcor... ) It's strength is in it's 24p recording capability which will make your documentary really stand out like a film. And it will be broadcast quality.
I don't want to confuse you further, but don't get too caught up in the brand celebrity status that is SONY. They make good stuff, but in my view, the proprietary nonsense undercuts it a great deal.
How to use a Sony® camcorder as a webcam for video conferencing.
Depending on the Sony® camcorder being used, it may be possible to use it as a webcam for video conferencing using one of the connection methods listed below. Refer to the operating instructions supplied with the product for model-specific information about product features. Manuals are available online in the Manuals/Specs/Warranty section of the Sony® eSupport Web site.
The bad part is that the manual has no mention of using it as a webcam, so that isn't good. However, you may be able to do it via USB Streaming:
How to use a Sony® camcorder as a webcam using USB Streaming.
IMPORTANT:
* Not all Sony® camcorders are equipped with a USB Streaming port. For compatibility information, or if you require further assistance with any of the steps below, consult the instruction manual of your camcorder. A copy of the camcorder instruction manual is available in the Manuals/Specs/Warranty section of the Sony® eSupport Web site
* The USB Streaming driver is not compatible with the Apple® Mac OS® operating system.
* The computer should have a factory installed USB port and compatible webcam software, such as Microsoft® NetMeeting®.
NOTE: This procedure cannot be performed when using the battery of the camcorder as a power source. If the camcorder is turned on, but not recording or playing a tape, it will automatically turn off after 5 minutes to conserve battery power. In addition, please be advised that this procedure may not work for all Sony camcorder models even when using the AC power adapter. Some models have an automatic demonstration mode that will activate after 5 minutes if the camera is turned on but not recording or playing a tape.
1. Install the USB Streaming driver on the computer from the CD provided with the camcorder.
2. Restart the computer.
3. Plug the AC power adapter for the camcorder into a working electrical outlet and then connect it to the camcorder.
4. Connect the supplied USB cable to the camcorder and computer.
5. Turn on the camcorder by moving the POWER switch to the CAMERA position.
6. In the camcorder menu, set the USB STREAMING option to ON.
7. On the computer, start the webcam software.
NOTE: Contact the software manufacturer for assistance with setting up or using the webcam software.
Cheers
Richard
Sky and Telescope ( skyandtelescope.com/howto/a... ) has an interesting article which describes the process.
Camcorders with permanent lenses require you to use what's called the afocal system. Here's how it works. The rays of light from a very distant object emerge from a telescope's eyepiece in parallel bundles. You bring this parallel light to focus on the camcorder's CCD by holding the camera's lens up to the telescope eyepiece. It's important to first have the telescope accurately focused, and this can be done by eye as long as you either have 20/20 vision or wear glasses that correct any near-or farsightedness to 20/20.
Sound complicated? Don't worry: most people find that focusing a telescope for afocal work is easy, especially since the real-time video image is visible in the camera’s viewfinder.
Richard
I don't really have any converting programs, but is there any free ones out there that can convert an entire directory? I take many shots of the same scenes in order to use the best ones to edit, so I have many video files that need converting.