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Cindy Wibowo (bembuu) 37 pts
December 27, 2008 8:04 PM

I'm pretty new with SLR, take picture more potraits & kids while running & jumping. Would you recomended Canon D50 OR Rebel Xsi/ 450D ?

Will buy my first SLR. I take picture more to potraits, flowers and KIDS in MOVING, example take picture while they jumping and running.

I would print them as LARGE, also love to crop them, too

Which one you recomended Canon D50 OR rebel Xsi/ D450 ?

Thanks !
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by James DeRuvo (byjamesderuvo) 58443 pts
January 1, 2009 11:54 PM
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The XSi is an excellent entry level DSLR for your needs. It has a good 10MP CMOS chip and you can enlarge pictures up to 11x14 or larger with no trouble. For portraits, I'd get a nice 80-200 zoom which will also allow for the "running and jumping." The XSi also has a nice action preset which will help in shooting kids.

I recommend this over the D50 because you can take the price difference and invest in a faster lens, rather than pay for a body which is really more than you need.
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ListerD 1 pts
March 11, 2009 9:14 PM
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The Rebel is certainly sufficient for this kind of photography. The one thing I would take into consideration though when choosing between the Rebels and the 50d (or any of the x0d line) is the case. If you plan on doing alot of outdoor photography and having this camera in active situations, the 50d is the better choice due to its magnesium case. I've had a 10d for years and its traveled the world with me, getting banged around (albeit unintentionally) a fair bit, and has come through and still functions perfectly. The Rebels are plastic bodies and will not hold up to the same kind of abuse.
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by James DeRuvo (byjamesderuvo) 58443 pts
March 11, 2009 10:02 PM
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That's a good point, Lister. Then again, you're more of a seasoned hobbyist or above. Cindy is just starting out and as such, I think the Rebel will serve her better and grow with her. Then, when she's ready to get more serious about it, she can sell the body on eBay, keep the lenses and upgrade to the more advanced 50D.
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George Funderburk (georgefun99) 527 pts
March 12, 2009 3:24 PM
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Good points to consider by both James and Lister. James you surprised me with a minor error on the XSi, its a 12 Megapixel camera where the XTi was 10.

I agree with James, especially if your budget is tight, the 450D/XSi is a terrific bargain considering the image quality it produces. If you spend less on the body (we are talking just these 2 cameras) and invest the difference in better lenses you will have better quality photos in the end. Simple and straightforward, the XSi with a quality lens like the 70-200 f2.8 zoom will produce better images than the 50D using the 18-200 or 75-300.

Here is one analogy I think helps describe the scenario.

I don't know how much you know about audio amplifiers and speakers, but most people understand the most important part of a sound system is the speakers, they control (or limit) the accuracy and loudness at the various sound frequencies, and the spatial or stereo effects. Unless you are using the very best speakers chances are you will not notice the difference between amplifiers, except for the cheapies that don't have enough power to drive the speakers.

In photography the lens is like the speakers, its the primary controller of what image gets onto the film or sensor chip. When people talk about communication and what TV shows a person decides to watch you may have heard the phrase "garbage-in garbage-out". A 15 Megapixel photo of fuzz and/or blah color looks no better than a 10-12 Megapixel photo of the same fuzz and/or blah color.


Cindy, here are a couple questions to ask yourself..

Think about how long you might want to keep the camera, the 50D will last much longer due to it's build quality and longer life shutter which is also twice as fast.

How fast are the kids? Do you expect the camera focusing to be able to always lock on their location when they are quickly approaching you? or running away from you? I have the 50D and it cannot always keep up with my 5-yr old daughter. The 50D is much faster, but the 450D/XSi may get enough photos in focus to satisfy you if you are willing to live with the fact that a lot of them wont turn out as desired. It's digital, take a lot of shots and just delete the ones you don't want.

Do you want to take photos in low light without a flash? The 50D has a big advantage here, better high-ISO performance.

Final comment: I think you will be happy with either camera, just get one and start playing!
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by James DeRuvo (byjamesderuvo) 58443 pts
March 12, 2009 11:15 PM
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Yeah, typo got me good on that one. I mean 12, but my fingers said 10. But for your basic snapshot, you wouldn't even notice that extra 2mp anyway. How's that for spin?

Absent that, you're dead on, George. I would go a tad further and echo what Leo Laporte says that when looking at a DSLR, you're really buying into a system more than a camera. And with that system comes a legacy, a journey. Bodies come and go, but the lenses will be what you keep. So when you initially buy into a system, it's better, IMHO, to invest more in the lenses rather than the body you're just starting out with. The nice thing about the XSi is that you can grow with it.
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Cindy Wibowo (bembuu) 37 pts
March 13, 2009 8:16 AM
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Hi everybody,
Thank you so much for any reply, I really appreciate it.
I already made a choice and bought 50D ! 2 months ago I bought it on January 10/
The reason for 50d is it faster and I love the build quality, but 1 thing which is I'm not sure is the noise on higher iso, I read so many about that.

Thanks again everybody !
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George Funderburk (georgefun99) 527 pts
March 13, 2009 4:18 PM
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So you got the 50D, woohoo! Big congratulations, it will keep you WOW'd longer than the XSi.
If/when you find yourself not getting the results you desire, remember to re-read the manual, then search the web for advice. My favorite place to get the best photography advice from pro photographers that are actually doing what I want to do is at fredmiranda.com.

Ahhh noise, that's another subject in itself discussed at great length. I have tried many different software programs for noise reduction and settled on the one I feel is the best, most flexible, and also easy to use. Noiseware Professional comes in both a standalone for working on finished photos and also a Photoshop plugin. They have a free trial version, try it and you will probably be impressed enough to spend the price they ask. www.imagenomic.com
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by James DeRuvo (byjamesderuvo) 58443 pts
March 13, 2009 5:53 PM
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Congratulations. That'll certainly take you far down the road on your digital photography journey, that's for sure. As for noise ... first thing you should do is check with CanonUSA.com for a firmware update. Download and install them. It may be that Canon has addressed that and a few other issues by updating the firmware.
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Cindy Wibowo (bembuu) 37 pts
March 13, 2009 7:19 PM
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THANK YOU for your advice about program for noise, George and James !
50d is my FIRST SLR...I really excited holding the magnesium alloy body, it is new for me, while the plastic on 450d is same as my old semi pro Canon Pro1 .
OMG !! now other problem, it is hard to stop myself for buying lens..LOL.

Regards !
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by James DeRuvo (byjamesderuvo) 58443 pts
March 13, 2009 11:11 PM
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What a happy problem! Whatever lenses you end up with, do yourself a favor buy a 1A Skylight filter for it. Reason being? Insurance. They will take any impact damage and spare your lens. I can't tell you many times I have thrashed a 1A filter and saved my camera lens. It's well worth the $20 or so, believe me.
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Cindy Wibowo (bembuu) 37 pts
March 14, 2009 4:36 AM
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Urmm..Not a happy problem..LOL especially if you love L series but you in limited budget ,plus photography only as hobby..LOL
Thanks James. for the filter advice. Is that same as UV filter ?

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George Funderburk (georgefun99) 527 pts
March 14, 2009 8:43 PM
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Filters? The 1A and UV filters appear similar but the 1A actually removes more of the blue tint from the image and makes it "warmer" from a color perspective. Some technical info about the characteristics of UV and Skylight (1A) filters can be found here..

http://www.bard-hill.co.uk/filters.html

A UV filter attenuates actual UV more strongly, and so will be a better bet where excess UV is a problem - near the sea, at high altitude, at very low latitudes. (This issues arises because film can see UV light, and renders it blue, that the human eye can't see: so an excess of UV that is invisible to us will make photographs look too blue, and also add haze to distant views.) A UV filter should attenuate visible light very little, but it will reduce the extreme purple end.

The Skylight doesn't attenuate UV as much but it does take out a little more of the visible light, notably in the blue-green range. This means it makes scenes look slightly warmer. It is designed to correct for the excess blueness of scenes shot in shade on cloudless days, or outside generally when clouds obscure the sun - ie. when the light is coming mostly from the blue sky. Definitely helps (on slide film) if taking portraits in shade, but the effect is not _that_ marked otherwise.
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Cindy Wibowo (bembuu) 37 pts
March 14, 2009 9:36 PM
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Thank you, George ! I will read it one by one because I'm very beginner
BTW George, I just remember, your name sounds familiar to me...When two months ago I bought 50d, before I decided to bought it, I unsure about 50d because many people told that it is not as sharp as 40d. BUT after read your reply, long good best answer about 50d. Even I printed it, read one by one . And I confident about 50d. THANKS George !
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by James DeRuvo (byjamesderuvo) 58443 pts
March 16, 2009 11:37 PM
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Well said, George.
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