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Carol (CSaponaro) 11 pts

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Canon 30D vs Nikon D80 vs Nikon D200

Looking to purchase Digital SLR and have been reading all the reviews. In most not all the Canon 30 D is refered to as semi-pro and highly rated even over camera's such as the Nikon D80 ( which has 10.2 mp that is typically compared to the Canon Rebel XTi). Not sure were the Nikon 200 falls be seems to be compared to the Canon 5D. The Nikon D80 comes with a fairly nice lense ( 18-135mm f/3.5 - f/5.6 DX Zoom-Nikkor) and is much cheaper than the Canon 30D. At any rate my budget says Nikon D80 or Canon 30D. If the 30D is better, should I get the EF 70-300mm f/4-5.6 IS USM telephoto zoom lens.

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by James DeRuvo (byjamesderuvo) 58443 pts

November 27, 2006 1:36 AM

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Both are equally good choices. Both have great lenses and you can grow with both as well. And both can use older lenses. And that's the thing here. If there's one thing that can sway you one way or the other, it's the infamous Nikkor 105mm portrait lens. There's no better lens, ever. And if you can get one, it'll be the best you can get. And I'm a Canon man.

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jp 9 pts

December 2, 2006 1:56 AM

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im planning to buy my first dslr camera. im choosing between the nikon d80 and the canon 30d, can you please tell me what are the advantages and disadvantage of these two?

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DSLR 112 pts

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I have been in the professoinal photography business for more than 15 years. To show balance, I use both the D2X and 1D with equal pleasure in my work.
Recently, I was in a toss up between the D80 and 30D for semi-professional, off-work, leisure use. I have toyed around with both the D70s and 30D, before, and they were both equally capable to produce remarkable photos when in the right hands. After some deliberation, I finally decided on the D80 for a number of reasons: First and foremost, Nikon has consistently focused its resources into the field of photography, so their expertise in mechanics and optics should be and is unsurpassed at this level (albeit Leica and the Zeiss). On the contrary, Canon seems to be a follower in this field, despite having caught up fast. Canon is frankly not as focused in this field, despite its agressive marketing tatics to capture a wide fan-base (Red / Gold ring lenses, white lenses, etc. which is simply meaningless to the anyone who knows his lenses). Secondly, the "feel" of the D80 is definitely more comfortable and well-balanced when the camera is held at hand. While it could be generally true that the more solid feeling camera (usually the heavier weighing one) gives a more sturdy and professional grip, I found the lighter D80 to be ideally weighed and more balanced, with a center of gravity appropriately place (lower-center-rear), while the 30D was unncessarily heavy and tended to twist and tilt ones grip forward-right (I can imagine this worsening on heavier lenses). This creates a magnitude of uncomfort once the 30D is used for longer periods. Thirdly is the fact that the Nikkor lenses are more appropriately priced. I am unsure whether this is a marketing tactic; however, I have witnessed consistent price increases for Canon lenses over the past 10 years, without significant improvement towards quality. One point that may affect the decision of buyers towards the Canon is the fact that it is "assembled" in Japan, while the Nikon is "assembled" in Thailand. If there were two versions of the D80, one from Japan for Japanese market and one from Thailand for the rest of the world, then I'd worry. But frankly, when even the discerning Japanese consumers are getting the same product, this becomes a mute point. Nikon will not risk its image and status through offering potentially lower quality products. Your Benz, Porsche or BMW will have many components not made in Germany. Likewise for a 30D that is only assembled in Japan.

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by James DeRuvo (byjamesderuvo) 58443 pts

December 29, 2006 5:00 PM

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DSLR is spot on in this regard. You can't go wrong with that Nikkor lens.

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Annabel David (adavid1) 3 pts

February 5, 2007 7:38 AM

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Hi, i'm studying photography with the intention of doing wedding photography full time. What would be the best camera to get, initially i wanted the canon 5D but its quite expensive....now its a toss up between the canon 30D or the Nikon D200 - which would you say is the better of the two, also taking into consideration the affordability of lenses.

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n1patrick 5 pts

March 16, 2007 6:16 PM

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DSLR, how can you say Nikon is following Canon? Nikon has been playing catch up to Canon every since the first digital camera was introduced. They don't even have a full frame dslr on the market. Nikon doesn't have anything that can compete with the Mark 1ds or the new Mark III. In fact Nikon just released the D40x to compete with the rebal.
That said, I shoot with Nikon.

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by James DeRuvo (byjamesderuvo) 58443 pts

March 19, 2007 11:55 AM

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There's one reason to go Nikon over Canon. The Nikkor Lens. No better lenses in the world.

That being said, I'm a Canon man. Nikon lost my interest with their very slow and bulky autofocus cameras back in the 80s. But their new digitals look pretty good though.

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lighthouse 2 pts

March 30, 2007 4:18 AM

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DSLR or Mr. DeRuvo:
I have been going nuts reading reviews after reviews. I am trying to find the right camera for me. I used to own a Canon EOS Rebel G which I loved so much. It just gave up on me when I went on my 8 weeks vacation, I took about 300 pictures (during the last week of my vacation) and I owned it for ~10 years. Now I have a Panasonic FZ20k. It takes great pictures both indoor and outdoor. Since my kids are now playing hockey, softball/baseball I would like to move on to a DSLR camera where I can actually play with the lens. So, for indoor sports or Musical play which camera is good in low light? One camera dealer advised me to get Pentax k10D because of the SR; the others said get the XTi. I did get the Xti; it was very light and felt like a toy to me. So, I returned it. Then I moved on to K10D, I actually purchased it and let it sat in the bag for couple of days. Finally when I opened the box, it was used so I returned it too.(I learned my lesson there by the way) And was told it was the only one they have in the store. So, in other words I am still waiting for another K10D to arrive. I think it's a sign not to get the K10D?
Now, I am back to reading reviews after reviews after reviews. I am now moving on to D80 vs. 30D (perhaps D40x???). After reading this:
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I finally decided on the D80 for a number of reasons: First and foremost, Nikon has consistently focused its resources into the field of photography, so their expertise in mechanics and optics should be and is unsurpassed at this level (albeit Leica and the Zeiss). On the contrary, Canon seems to be a follower in this field, despite having caught up fast.
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I am leaning towards the D80. Which camera is good in low/ indoor lights? I have read the CNet reviews for the D80 they gave it 8.4, Canon 30D I think it's an 8.0 and the D40x doesn't have one yet. They did have a review for D40 of 7.4 out of 10. Since the D40X is clone of D40 ( except it's 10 megapixels) do you think I should wait for the D40X reviews? If I get the D80, Is 200mm f2.8 fast enough to capture good pictures? Is Sigma 200mm f2.8 going to fit in the Nikon D80? Or does Tamron have 200 mm f2.8 that will fit in D80? What specific lense should I buy? Doesn't lenses have letters (mount?) after the f2.8. I am new to this whole thing so, please help. Thanks again for your time.

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TomH (tharrison) 9645 pts

March 30, 2007 8:52 AM

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Lighthouse --

If the XTi was too light for you (a toy), you most certainly want the 30D or the D80 (or D200). Opinions about which company is conceptually better at cameras notwithstanding, Nikon and Canon are both real camera makers, and these are all real cameras. If you have any lenses from your old Rebel, then they'll work on the 30D, which would seal the deal for me. If not, then it's a toss up.

As a long-time Canon owner and serious (not professional) photographer, I very much appreciate the solid, strong performance of the 30D predecessor, the 10D which I have owned since it was released in 2004. The metal body, great functionality and speed are all great in the 10D, even by today's standards. The 30D is faster, has an even better image processor (lower noise at high ISO), more MP, a spot meter and a few other things I miss a little on the 10D. So it sounds like a great camera. I have heard similar raves about the 200D from Nikon.

I do think Nikon's glass has a great rep, however you should know they are going through a transition now, putting the focus motor in the camera, where it used to be in the lens (they had it in the lens for backward compatibility with their non-AE/AF lenses from many years ago). This means, I think, that there will be some incompatibilities in their lens line over the next few years. Canon made that switch (much to the ire of Canon owners then) in the early 1980s. So you may have a wider selection of lenses from Canon, although that's mostly speculation.

I would avoid all the other dSLRs, given your experiences so far. While many are fine, the Canon and Nikon offerings are the ones most pros choose, and if you want a solid camera, this is where you should stick. You will NOT be disappointed in either.

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by James DeRuvo (byjamesderuvo) 58443 pts

March 30, 2007 10:55 AM

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To Tom, you listen, wise is he!

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DSLR 112 pts

April 3, 2007 4:08 AM

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Hi all....sorry for the late reply as I have been mostly out of town. The Nikon vs Canon topic will frankly be a never ending debate. Agreed with TomH, you should only stick to one of these two brands. The option of the body is really a short-term commitment, for a life-time hobby, and it depends on your application at the moment of question. If you're a beginner/enthusiast, it'd be hard to justify going beyond the 30D or D80. It'll take you a good year of serious shooting before you can really master all the features both cameras have to offer. This is besides having to learn all the proper shooting techniques. The real decision maker is on the lens, which will be transferrable asset to-and-from bodies of the same make (mostly if you don't decide to step down for the D40 in the future). So you really should be looking at the range of lenses available for a certain make, and the quality, speed, weight, etc of the ones that would apply to your application(s) at the moment of question. I know I haven't answered any questions directly, but it is frankly an internal issue with oneself.
To lighthouse, you asked about shooting indoors (I presume portrait photos). This depends on the distances you will be covering during your indoor shooting. 200mm is obviously great if you need to reach across relatively long distance (e.g. runway models or podium speakers). However, if you are mainly shooting portrait across distances within 2-3 meters, you may even consider a fix-focus 35mm or 50mm f/1.8 or 1.4 lens, which are great for indoors and out-door night photography.
All said, I tend to lean towards Nikon bodies due to my believe in the range and quality of Nikkor lenses. Agreed with DeRuvo.

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lighthouse 2 pts

April 4, 2007 5:31 AM

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Hello,
Thank you all for responding to my message. It helped me a lot in deciding what to get. I finally got the D80 with 55-200mm Quant...for $1099 plus $50 gift card and 19.99 Epson mini printer. I think I had a great deal. I was a little picky w/ the lens they gave me. It had some finger prints when I got it so, I returned it and got a Nikkor 55-200mm instead. I paid the difference with the $50 gift card I got when I bought the kit and $50 more in cash. In short paid $1150 (out of pocket) for D80 body and Nikon 55-200mm lens. I also ordered me a nice Nikkor 50mm f1.8 lens for the indoor portraits. I do think that the 55-200mm Nikkor lense will be good enough for now. I am saving for a faster lens i.e. f2.8 for my indoor "Hockey photos". NOW, my last question... Which of these Nikon lenses is good enough for shooting indoor hockey photos and I can also use outdoor? 180mm , 55-200 or 105mm f2.8 ? Is there a 18-180mm/25-180mm made by Nikon?Please let me know which will be the smart choice bec. I don't have that much money to spend. I know if I can get a lens that's faster (indoor) than the Quant that I got now, I will be happy and won't even think of any other lens again. Again, THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR GOOD ADVISE. Hope to hear from you soon.

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by James DeRuvo (byjamesderuvo) 58443 pts

April 4, 2007 11:25 AM

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Lighthouse, go one step further and purchase a 1A skylight filter for that Quantray lens. It'll be the best insurance policy you can buy. I can't tell you how many times I saved a lens from impact damage by trashing that filter.

As for buying a 50mm lens, frankly, I think that's a waste of money. Get the 105mm Nikon instead. And I think that you're covered on the lens for hockey.

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lighthouse 2 pts

April 5, 2007 6:24 PM

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Thanks again, have a geat day!

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Deep 1 pts

April 8, 2007 1:22 PM

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I am a real amateur and from this conversationI believe that D80 is way to go. Could you please (lighthouse) tell me which shop you bought it from and what are the steps. THANKS IN ADVANCE.

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by James DeRuvo (byjamesderuvo) 58443 pts

April 9, 2007 3:03 PM

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We're glad to help, Deep. If you're committed to the D80, check out these prices. They're quite competitive.

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Haley 2 pts

April 10, 2007 9:05 AM

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To pay 1,000 plus for either the 30d or the d80 is foolish, as I have found both for somewhere in the range of $700(shop around online), though this is body only, for the 30d that is UNBEATABLE. The K10d is wonderful but I do not like the choice in lenses. Olympus is also coming out with the e410 and e510, which are options to consider. Canon Nikon Olympus and Pentax. Those are the brands. Canon really lost a few points when they came out with such a flimsy cheap feeling camera as the 400d.

On the subject of lenses for the Nikon id go with the 18-70mm and a nice 50mm, as I take mostly low light shots.

by the way someone mentioned looking at cnet reviews.....don't. Bias bias bias is all I can say about their camera reviews . They are not photographers and many of their statements are down right inaccurate. They rate based solely on how expensive a product is.

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Liehsc 2 pts

April 25, 2007 11:54 PM

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Check out Ebay, you can get a used Nikon D70s for $500, D80 for $750 and a Canon 30D for about $900. As far as lenses I would stay with Nikon, Canon, Tokina and lastly Sigma. Remember these cameras have a 1.5 to 1.6 crop factor on them. So a Nikon 50mm f/1.8 is equivalent to a 75mm on a regular film camera.

Light house, Nikon makes a 70-300mm f3.5-4.5 with an image stabalizer on it. Runs brand new around $450.

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marley 1 pts

April 26, 2007 6:16 AM

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Great choice on the D80 lighthouse. If I were you I'd definitely try and get a Nikkor wide angle lens. Either the well built 18-70mm for around $320 or the nice 18-55mm for about $170.

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lighthouse 2 pts

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Hi Everyone!

Deep: Sorry I haven't had a chance to check my e-mail for the longest time lol. Anyhow, if it's not too late, I got mine at Ritz/Wolfe Camera. I did wait for a long time to get that deal :-P Check their website and they might have a sale for "Mother's Day".

Haley: Thanks :- )

Liehsc and Marley: I will definitely check out those lenses. Thank again:-)

And YES!!! I'm loving my new D80 (with 50mm f/1.8)

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Tom Adams (tomadaonline) 8 pts

May 29, 2007 2:42 PM

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I have a video production company and am just getting into the DSLR market. I have been looking at the D80 and the D200 with their +18-200mm ED DX VR II lens. The longer I look at reviews the more confused I'm getting. Somewhere in this thread I read that if I'm new, then anything past the D80 is not smart. My interests are shooting mountain biking, mostly up close, weddings, nature, and some event photography.

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by James DeRuvo (byjamesderuvo) 58443 pts

May 29, 2007 4:05 PM

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Tom, sooner or later, it may come down to trying them out. Heading on over to a camera store that sells upper level SLRs and simply trying them out. Holding them, seeing how they feel in your hand. Some even will let you rent them for a day or two and usually apply the rental fees to the price of purchase.

In the end, you can read all the reviews you want and you're just as confused as you started. But when you're holding that camera in your hand, seeing what it looks like in the viewfinder, and judging the speed of the focus, etc. first hand, then suddenly, all becomes clear.

Just don't let the salesman sell you on third party lenses and accessories unless you like the results. Salesmen make their commission (called spiffs) on these third party accessories. So beware.

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Tom Adams (tomadaonline) 8 pts

May 29, 2007 4:42 PM

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Thanks James...that's how it started. I heard about the Nikon D40 so stopped in to check it out. It felt like a toy. So I tried the D80 and the lens felt cheap...and it was a Nikon. Then I stopped by a different store and held the D200, and fell in love. But it's so expensive and if I add this great lens, the 18-200mm ED DX VR II, which I cannot find to try out, but is available on eBay, will the camera be too heavy? Plus it costs $2200.

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Karnelf 3 pts

May 30, 2007 12:17 PM

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Hello! I am also trying to choose between Nikon D80 and Canon 30D. 80D has plastic body, 30D - metal. Maybe, Tom, this 30D will not leave a feel of a toy on you? 80D is never referred as semi-pro, but 30D is. Megapixels in this case don't play a huge role, isn't it? So what to choose when you see that 30D is only 100-200$ expensive? I just burrowed through the forums and reviews and once met a great answer - choose the one with better lens. My interests are mainly portrait, indoors, outdoors, nature, not much of macro or close up? So which camera and which lenses will you, the experienced, recommend? I mean not the brand, but the model, since this brand battle will never end!

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Tom Adams (tomadaonline) 8 pts

May 30, 2007 12:23 PM

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Well, I'm not an experienced photographer but have been shooting event video for the past 4 years. I would like to get a camera that has plenty of growing room, and the Nikon D200 with their 18-200 f3.5 VR lens looks like a winning combo.

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Tom Adams (tomadaonline) 8 pts

May 30, 2007 12:31 PM

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My interests are event photography, mountain biking, nature, and probably some portraits. The sales person at my local store steered me to the D200 for sealed body, speed (5fps), and suggested that it is a better camera than the 30D. Then I read until my eyes closed, more than once, and found the lens, although I cannot find one to test as they are all gone except for a few sites on eBay.

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Karnelf 3 pts

May 30, 2007 12:48 PM

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Tom, is this the lens you want to buy?
http://www.photozone.de/8Reviews/lenses/nikkor_18200_3556vr/index.htm

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Tom Adams (tomadaonline) 8 pts

May 30, 2007 12:53 PM

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Yes...

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Karnelf 3 pts

May 30, 2007 1:18 PM

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Read it carefully, they are not much happy with results, though VR is of course great option. If you're not nuch concerned about vignetting abberations and so on then it's great choice. Otherwise they recommend not to use "all-in-one lenses, but try to use a pair of them for different occasions. This should give better results.

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by James DeRuvo (byjamesderuvo) 58443 pts

May 31, 2007 3:36 PM

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Good points, Karnelf. It does look like the results from this lens are mixed at best.

As for weight, I you may find other lenses that could be slightly lighter, but what's the tradeoff? My experience has been that usually third party lenses are heavier than manufacturer lenses. But YMMV.

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Liehsc 2 pts

May 31, 2007 4:14 PM

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I wouldn't buy the 18-200mm lens for shooting mountain biking. You need a faster lens. The Nikon 50mm 1.8D is good it only costs $100 and is a very good lens. I would then by a 12-24mm Tokina, this is very good for landscapes and would also be good for wide shots of mountain bikes coming down the trails. This lens will run you about $500. Then make sure you buy a good filter for both. Then if you want a telephoto I would go with the Nikon 80-200mm with tripod collar. New will run you about $800 used around $600. All of these lenses you can find at you local camera store or on ebay. Hope this helps.

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Tom Adams (tomadaonline) 8 pts

May 31, 2007 4:22 PM

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Would one of the lenses in the Liehsc suggestion work for weddings and general event work?

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Liehsc 2 pts

May 31, 2007 4:25 PM

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If you decide to go with the Canon 30D i would get the 17-40mm F4 around $600 or the 24-105mm F4 around $700. This is a heavy lens though. For telephoto i would go 70-200mm F4 around $500 or the 70-200mm 2.8 is for $1500. All in all the nikon and canon are pretty close it really just depends how they feel in your hands.

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Tom Adams (tomadaonline) 8 pts

May 31, 2007 4:27 PM

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I'm actually most interested in the Nikon D200

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Liehsc 2 pts

May 31, 2007 4:32 PM

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The 50mm 1.8D is a very good lens for portrait and general event photography. If you can spend $1000 bucks on a lens I would go with the Nikon 17-55mm f2.8. Great for everything. If you shoot in low light you want a lens that is f2.8 or lower.

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by James DeRuvo (byjamesderuvo) 58443 pts

May 31, 2007 7:02 PM

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That may be, but you won't find a better lens than the 105mm Nikkor. Ask those who still have them from over 40 years ago, they refuse to give them up!

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Tom Adams (tomadaonline) 8 pts

May 31, 2007 9:06 PM

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Today I had a chance to shoot a little with a nikon 18-70 mm lens, I think it was f 3.5. It's a great lens for close up shots of mountain bikers. Why does a 17-55 f2.8 cost so much? Is it the glass quality?

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Tom Adams (tomadaonline) 8 pts

June 2, 2007 11:16 AM

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I finally got to try out the 18-200 3.5 vr lens on the D200. It felt fine, but I feel that the 18 isn't wide enough when I'm in a close area trying to photograph a mountain biker jumping. I'm starting to think that the stock 18-70mm f3.5 lens that comes with the kit will suffice. then I can add lenses as my knowledge and skill improve. Thanks for all your inputs. I'm off to buy the camera today. DeRuvo, you are right. The longer I read the more confused I get. Holding cameras and trying them out is the best. This is a fun adventure.

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Tom Adams (tomadaonline) 8 pts

June 3, 2007 11:28 AM

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I bought the D200 with a 18-70 f3.5 lens in a kit. I wish it was f2.8, but my budget didn't allow. It does a pretty good job of getting a nice wide shot in close for mountain biking jumps. And I'm a novice so it will take me a while to learn the camera, which is a joy to hold in my hands. I charged the battery and took a great shot of my wife, who funded the purchase, and it looked great. This camera is simply spectacular to play with. Now I have to learn it. I have kept all your notes for future purchases. Thanks to all for your advice.

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by James DeRuvo (byjamesderuvo) 58443 pts

June 4, 2007 1:51 PM

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Yes. It's the glass. Nikkor makes some of the best lenses in the world and that ain't cheap. Good news is that every penny can be seen in the photo.

Glad you found the camera for you, Tom! Enjoy!

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Mike (Vektor67) 1 pts

June 18, 2007 1:07 PM

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This has been a great thread for me. I too have it boiled down to a D80 or a 30D. I'll be settled on the D80 and I'll hear a whisper 5 fps, metal body , low light ect. Then I'll be getting the 30D for a few days, frankly it's exhausting I can't wait until I finally buy something which I'll probably be doing on Friday. I've held both cameras and like them both although at the time I wasn't seriously considering the 30D due to the extra cost. It's such a big decision as your buying into a system and the decision will be very expensive to reverse down the line. I plan to immerse myself in photography , take classes and hopefully start a career. In this moment I think I'm going with the D80 again I like the lenses 5 year warranty and the prices seem a little more sane. The D80 is also a rather new camera with no replacement on the horizon while the 30D is a little long in the tooth and will probably be replaced soon.
That said I am concerned about the idea the Nikon is changing their lens format accross the line as per the D40x model. If that is true there won't be many new lenses coming out for the D80 in the years to come an what lenses I do invest in won't be compatible with future Nikon bodies. Come to think of it that would be a huge determining factor and would lead me back again to the 30D. Help me please, I'm going around in circles and I'm getting dizzy.
Great forum btw and this thead particular has been helpful in addressing my dilemma. Thanks for any and all feedback. ~ Mike

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Tom Adams (tomadaonline) 8 pts

June 18, 2007 2:22 PM

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I've had the D200 for two weeks and have learned so much in a short time. One thing that's fun is to experiment with iso, shutter speed and aperture. I've been shooting face paced mountain biking in somewhat low light and discovered that raising the iso, adding flash, and guessing at shutter speed is a fun experiment. I was finally able to get good results with iso raised to 800 with a flash i could get the shutter to 60. I love the feel of the D200. And the controls are easy to find and adjust. I have a four part class locally that starts in three weeks. I'll be armed and dangerous.

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by James DeRuvo (byjamesderuvo) 58443 pts

June 18, 2007 4:35 PM

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Awesome. Also try bracketing. That's where you shoot at -1, regular & +1 on your aperture. Note the differences.

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BruinHero 1 pts

June 19, 2007 12:06 AM

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Mike, per your last comment...I feel the same way, however I don't care much about lens investment. It's a matter of pricing...I like the coolness of the 5 frames per second...the Canon feels like a more quality camera, but it also feels heaver and more clumsy.

Anyone who can solve Mike's question once and for all...without a depends what your gonna do with it attitude will thereby make my decision as well. Thanks!

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June 19, 2007 10:55 AM

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Well sorry, Bruin, but it really does depend on what you're going to do with it. Approach should always point the way to what camera you're going to end up with. If point and shoot is what you want, then this camera is overkill. Likewise, if you want to go into a serious hobby, then a prosumer model won't grow with you as much as you'd like.

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Tom Adams (tomadaonline) 8 pts

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I bought a 18-70 kit lens with my D-200 camera and now want to get closer to my subjects. Specifically I have seen some birds on my walks that I just can't get to with the 70mm. And I might want to use it for mountain biking when I cannot get close enough to the action. I saw the Nikon 70-300mm f/4-5.6G AF Telephoto and it's only $140. That seems like an awfully good deal for a lens that I will learn with.

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BruinHero 1 pts

June 20, 2007 8:04 AM

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Tom- What's the link to that deal? I decided on the Nikon D80 and am thinking of buying that lens you just mentioned plus a 50mm non-zoom...what do you think of that setup?

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by James DeRuvo (byjamesderuvo) 58443 pts

June 20, 2007 9:21 AM

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A Nikon for $140? Where?! That's a pretty good deal. But I'd be careful if this is an online deal. Beware of lens shake though and consider getting a monopod for those walks.

Bruin, really, what's the point of a 50mm? It has such a narrow focal range that you won't really use it that often - if you have a zoom along for the ride. When mine came with it, I stuck it in a drawer and never used it.

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BruinHero 1 pts

June 20, 2007 9:34 AM

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James- do you want to sell your 50mm? ;)

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LOL. Long gone, my friend.

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Mike (Vektor67) 1 pts

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James when you speak of a prosumer I assume your referring to the D80? I'm definately wanting something which will grow with me. To be honest I'd like to make a career out of photography. My intention is to immerse myself, take some classes and learn everything that I can.
Now as to the 50 mm that was what I was going to get, the 30D body and the "fantastic plastic". Until I could save up for a decent lens. In reviewing lenses(photozone) the kit lenses all seem terrible, so I'm at a loss.
Ideally I'd find something that covered the lower to mid range i.e. 17-85, 18-55 the 28-135 IS is available in a kit with the 30D for $1288.00. The cost of the 17-55 2.8 is prohibitive as is the 24-105 2.8L. Basically 1300 maybe 1400 is the most (more actually but) that I can afford right now but I don't feel like that means I have to settle for the XTI/D40.I should just keep saving a get the 5D /24-105L kit...in about a year. lol
What do you recommend?

Oh I learned that I was uninformed regarding the new Nikon lenses with motors and their compatibilty with the D80/D200 bodies with motors.

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Tom Adams (tomadaonline) 8 pts

June 20, 2007 11:18 AM

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I found the link from Ken Rockwell's site. I could buy it from Ritz, who no longer carry it, Amazon, or Adorama. He suggested, correctly, that eBay was selling it at a higher price. Here's the link to Adorama.

http://www.adorama.com/NK70300AFGU.html?sid=11823119232103177#Nikon-70-300mm-f-4-5.6G-AF-Telephoto-Zoom-Nikkor-Lens-with-HB-26-Hood---Black-Finish---with-5-Year-U.S.A.-Warranty

Here's the link to Ken Rockwell's site tha pertains to Nikon lenses.

http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/nikkor.htm

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by James DeRuvo (byjamesderuvo) 58443 pts

June 20, 2007 11:41 AM

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Mike, I don't think that getting the XTi/40D would be "settling" per se, but then again, I'm not the one who would be using it either. I have a hunch that you're mind is set on the 30D and that's fine. It's a good camera. But frankly, you won't get much mileage out of the 50mm. You'll grow out of it in an afternoon to not too fine a point on it. I think starting out with a 28-135 is a good way to start. But what's the point of buying a great camera if you're going to settle on an inferior lens? Buying a kit with a third party lens is settling much more than going with the RebelXTi, IMHO.

I would advise saving up for a few more months and get the lens you REALLY want. Since you have it as a goal to go Pro, you won't regret being patient and having the right tools.

One last thing. No matter what lens you end up getting, plan on laying out another $25 or so for a 1A Skylight filter. It's a must for protecting your lens elements and is a good, cheap insurance policy. I can't tell you how many times I trashed a 1A filter, but saved my lens from impact damage!

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Mike (Vektor67) 1 pts

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Thanks for the response James. I didn't mean to imply that the XTI was a bad camera only that I didn't really care for the ergonomics. Thanks for the tip on the Skylight filter. I probably will end up getting the kit then with the 28-135. Although my mind is not cimpletely made up as of yet. I just got done reading o at the Ken Rockwell site and he's very excited about the D40 so...I've got so much to learn. I really wish I could save up for a couple more months but to be honest, I'm going nuts without a camera to shoot with. I returned my only camera for a refund so I could afford a DSLR because I wanted more control than my G7 offered me, focusing primarily I found it immensly frustrating when I couldn't get a focus locked shooting Macro shots of flowers and the manual focus on that camera was terrible. Money is going to be an issue however so I may get the most out of that kit while I save for some good lenses. Maybe there is something to be said for buying an inexpensive camera just so that I have something but I want depth of field preview and things that aren't available on most evtry level DLSR's. Well I'm confused again hehe.

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by James DeRuvo (byjamesderuvo) 58443 pts

June 20, 2007 12:15 PM

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Here's an idea that would allow you to kill two birds with one stone. Many camera stores rent the cameras they sell, and then will deduct the rental price from the sale price if you buy it from them. You could keep saving, and rent both to 1) scratch that photography itch and 2) evaluate each one personally. Do this with the understanding that both rental fees will be applied to the sale price.

Then, when you're ready to purchase the camera, you have a leg up in both experience, and price deductions.

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BruinHero 1 pts

June 20, 2007 12:24 PM

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N80 or 30D? Ordering one this Saturday. For the mid-range lens kits I've found

N80: $1110
30D: $1275

A $165 price difference isn't much, but I'm already over my $1000 budget. Add in a 4GB card, a case, that Skylight filter, maybe an extra battery and I'm way over...so that's why I'm going to get the N80...maybe.

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by James DeRuvo (byjamesderuvo) 58443 pts

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All I can say is, if you feel like you're going to be settling, what will another month or two of waiting while you save up the difference hurt? That's my advice. Be patient. And who knows, maybe the price will drop.

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How does Nikon D80 compare to Pentax K10D? I’ve read some replays here:
http://www.digitalcamera-hq.com/digital-cameras/pentax-k10d-with-lens_question.html?qid=4546
but got confused.

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Alex (calphix) 3 pts

July 4, 2007 12:05 PM

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Hi, I'm also buying my first DSLR, after reading reviews of both camera, I think i'm sold with the D80....I was just wondering now which lenses are good, I would like one that would be fast enough to shoot sports and one that is good with night shooting. Also DeRuvo mentioned the 105mm portrait lens from Nikon, is it the "AF-S VR Micro-Nikkor 105mm f/2.8G IF-ED". Also my friend recommended to me the "Nikkor AF-S 70-300mm F4.5-5.6 VR", how's that? Thanks

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Tom Adams (tomadaonline) 8 pts

July 4, 2007 12:51 PM

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I have been shooting with two lenses on my D200. The first is a 18-70 3.5 to 4.something lens that I bought with the camera. Then, for fun, I purchased a Nikon 70-300mm f/4-5.6G AF Telephoto lens, for $150. Now I find the longer lens is on when I want to shoot something wide, and vice versa. To me, the 18-200 VR lens looks like a great one, expect, as you can see in the above thread, there is some distortion. Check out what Ken Rockwell says about it...see above link.

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Alana (philomycus) 2 pts

July 4, 2007 2:58 PM

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everytime i decide on the D80, I change my mind to the D200. All this info is driving me nuts! MAkes me want to use the $ and spend it on a lens on my totally manual fossil Yashica FX103

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Tom Adams (tomadaonline) 8 pts

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I went with the D200 for three reasons. One, it felt right. Two is has a sealed body and I shoot in dusty environments, and three, it shoots 5 fps which is great for sports. I've seen a lot of exquisite shots with the D70 D80 etc.

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Diplomat 2 pts

July 6, 2007 12:20 AM

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You have to realize that both Canon and Nikon are wonderful companies. Both make fabulous lenses, and fabulous cameras. They are neck and neck for a reason: both are very good at what they do. There is no "wrong" choice with your camera, there are cameras you will probably like more than others for personal reasons, but all the cameras were put out for top notch shooting. The 30D and the D80 are VERY competent cameras. Both have amazing features, and wonderful image quality in the right hands. The lenses (though you can debate this all you want) are just about equal in most regards. People who have shot Nikon will probably like Nikon lenses, and Canon shooters will enjoy Canon lenses. Don't let biases sway you from either company--Nikon and Canon are old rivals who compete for the same ground. And none of them are toys. All of them were made to a standard that very few companies can match.
There are many upsides to certain cameras; the huge sensor on the 30D may influence your purchase, or the wonderful Nikkor lenses available with the D80. Perhaps you have had a camera before from one of them--obviously some of the lenses can be used on a future purchased camera. There are variables to each purchase, and very well there should be.
But the best thing you can do is try them out. Whether from a friend or family member, or even for a brief time at a store, it is DEFINITELY worth your time to get a feel of the camera before your purchase. NEVER purchase blind, you will get surprises you didn't ask for.
Realize your options and make your favorite pick. All in all, you will find what you like for a reason that suits you.

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by James DeRuvo (byjamesderuvo) 58443 pts

July 6, 2007 11:28 PM

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Good comments, Diplomat. I'll also state that sometimes, a smaller camera store will allow you to rent the cameras and then will apply the rental price to what you pay for it if you purchase it from them. That way you're not paying more just because you rent it to see for yourself.

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Karnelf 3 pts

July 12, 2007 3:34 PM

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I decided myself for Nikon D80 with Tamron 17-50 2.8 lens. What would you say about that 3rd party lens? It costs 450$ and seems to be a nice choice, as of photozone and some others.

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by James DeRuvo (byjamesderuvo) 58443 pts

July 12, 2007 11:22 PM

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Well, frankly, I think you're loosing the advantage with such a short lens focal length (especially at $450) - unless all your planning on shooting is landscapes. You're much better off with a basic zoom that moves into the 70mm or beyond range. That gives you mush better options for getting shots further off.

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Tom Adams (tomadaonline) 8 pts

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Some of the above thread suggests that the 18-200 VR lens is not perfect, but I wish I had it. Read Rockwell's article. He says that he uses it and a very wide angle Tokina, and that's it. It has some barrel distortion at the close end and maybe a little edge distortion at the long end, and it's a little pricey, as in $700 or $800, but it's worth a look. Wish I'd gotten it.

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Laura 1 pts

July 17, 2007 11:12 AM

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Is Nikon going to develop some new lenes? So, if I were to buy the Nikon D80 it would be harder in th future to obtain different lenes? Woulld the Canon Rebel xti be a better semi pro product

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by James DeRuvo (byjamesderuvo) 58443 pts

July 17, 2007 1:53 PM

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Well the beauty of Nikon is that they have always kept their lenses in the loop and kept them downward compatible. So you shouldn't have any trouble with just about any Nikon lens.

As for the Rebel XTi, it's a worthy alternative.

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Scott 0 pts

July 18, 2007 9:26 AM

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I am planning on buying one of these cameras as well. I have quite a few lenses for my cameras (Nikkor AI lenses, I believe). Are these at all compatible with digital SLR's? If so, my decision will be much easier.

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Alex (calphix) 3 pts

July 18, 2007 11:04 AM

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Overall, which brand is more expensive? canon or nikon? in terms of lenses, speedlights, bodies, accessories, etc.....

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Mike (Vektor67) 1 pts

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I just ordered the 30D finally after much consternation. I'll be recieving it tomorrow and can't wait. Availability and pricing on lenses, low light noise performance and the price reduction in preparation for the next model and a clear upgrade path to full frame where my deciding factors. I found a new 30D body for 939.00 at cametaauctions Cameta Camera's Ebay store.
And there are many used Canon Lenses to be had a Fremiranda.coms buy/sell board. I bought a used EF 24-105F4L for 940.00. I can't wait to get to shooting.
Thanks for all the info from this thread where I posted some time ago but have been following since. That said I always loved the feel of the D80 in my hands and I'm certain it's an outstanding camera. Hopefully I don't regret my decision, I don't think I will. All the best and happy shooting. :)

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Alex (calphix) 3 pts

July 18, 2007 12:26 PM

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also how are sigma lenses?

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Mike (Vektor67) 1 pts

July 18, 2007 12:55 PM

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Here is a great site for lens reviews so you can check for yourself.
http://www.photozone.de/8Reviews/index.html
I'm a base noob but my impression is that Tamron, Tokina and Sigma all sell third party lenses and all either hit or miss. It's very lens specific. for instance the Tamron 17-50 and 28-75 are somewhat legendary for being incredibly sharp and wonderful. I've heard great things about the Tokina 12-24. Sigma's new 18-50 2.8 seems like a winner as well. I think they all make some very good lenses and some not so hot. Check reviews first.

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by James DeRuvo (byjamesderuvo) 58443 pts

July 18, 2007 3:26 PM

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Scott, I really don't think you'll have a problem. Nikon has always kept their cameras downward compatible with their lenses for the very reason that they understand their strength is their glass. Worst case? You may lose some auto functions. But I highly doubt that.

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Alex (calphix) 3 pts

July 18, 2007 8:10 PM

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Thanks Mike

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Mike (Vektor67) 1 pts

July 18, 2007 8:53 PM

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You're welcome :)

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Rob 0 pts

July 23, 2007 12:01 PM

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This thread has been pretty helpful. And now I'll beg for feedback like so many others. LOL.

I keep getting caught in this loop: "I should buy the XTi because I have Tamron glass for my Ti2 already, filters, etc. But I'd like to move up to the 30D since it's a bigger sensor and better camera. But the 30D is almost outdated w/ a 40D sooner or later. But I could save $200, dump my Tamron glass on eBay and move over to the D80 which is cheaper and comparable to the older 30D and just buy new glass for the Nikon. But if I'm going to do all of that, maybe I should just buy an XTi and a great lens."

And then I'm screwed. It's really hard to be sure what to do here.

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by James DeRuvo (byjamesderuvo) 58443 pts

July 23, 2007 2:27 PM

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Rob, at this point, when trying to make a final call, it may just come down to what camera feels good in your hand. Go to a local camera store and check both out side by side, holding them, feeling their center of gravity, the balance. How it sits in your hand. That usually sells me one way or the other.

You could also consider renting a model or two. Most smaller camera companies will rent you a camera for a day or weekend and will even apply the rental price to the camera if you buy it from them.

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Mike (Vektor67) 1 pts

July 23, 2007 5:03 PM

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I feel you Rob, I was doing the same thing. Slightly different as but just as circular. Good Luck with it. You really can't go wrong. I ended up with the 30D and love it.
I'd probably be saying the same thing regardless of which one I chose. Happy shooting. ~ Mike

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Rob 0 pts

July 23, 2007 7:41 PM

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OK, on the heels of good advice, I wandered by the local Best Buy and gripped some camera.

XTi is out. Just doesn't feel right. I'm sure it takes good pictures but it doesn't feel right for me.

D80 has a nice feel. I like it. I like the layout, the menu system. Looks good, feel comfortable with it.

30D feels like I could kill someone with it, properly grasped and swung. It was dead so I couldn't play with menus but it certainly has a nice feel in my hand.

I do have Canon glass, but it's only about $200 worth, tops.

So 2 slightly less subjective questions based on reading today:

(1) in terms of megapixels and image quality, how does the 30D compare to the D80? I know the 30D is only 8.2 but I don't know if that means any real meaningful compromise in image. If you were buying solely on image quality and electronics (AF points, metering, etc.) is there a big advantage to one or the other? I've got them both in a spreadsheet and they look awfully close but I may have missed something.

(2) can either camera put RAW into Photoshop without 3rd party software? If I have to buy a piece of software to get the RAW from one or the other, that's a consideration. I work in advertising and while I don't need to shoot billboard size, I do want maximum flexibility going into CS3.

Thanks again.

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Mike (Vektor67) 1 pts

July 23, 2007 7:54 PM

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My situation again was very similar. I kept gravitating to the D80 @ Best Buy. I thought it felt the best in my hand, I was very drawn to it. I also liked that it had 10MP vs 8.2. I'm a noob and it was difficult for me to grasp that there wasn't a whole lot of difference between the two. It was a close call but in the end for me I decided on the Canon "system" as you are buying more than 1 camera body assuming you'll be buying lenses to accompany that body and not just shooting with whatever kit lens you get. I decided that Canon was more prevalent and popular and that I'd have an easier time finding good deals on used lenses. Also if you look at the prices of glass, Canons lenses are for the most part less expensive, particularly lenses with a longer reach i.e. high end lenses I felt were more affordable. I like the fredmiranda buy/sell forum a lot. You should check it out. I also went for Cmos over CCD and the low light advantage that affords me. All of that said. I'm sure I'd have been very happy with the D80 it felt very very good to me although it was plastic. I like the idea that the body of my camera is magnesium as well. I paired my 30D with a EF 24-105mm F4L lens which I bought second hand off of Fredmiranda.com and although its a weird focal range for an all around lens I'm liking it very much.

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by James DeRuvo (byjamesderuvo) 58443 pts

July 24, 2007 6:47 PM

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See Rob? Often just holding it helps whittle down the list.

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Karnelf 3 pts

July 31, 2007 8:25 AM

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To Mike: I had very similar feeling when holding both Nikon D80 and Canon 30D. Both were very pleasant. Button placement and 2 command dials of D80 were somewhat better, also 10Mpixels.. and 30D had 5 fps and metal body which both say about more professional device. I am a fresh starter with no lenses, and for me it was not a question to which system to get connected. So I decided just to a newer on - D80 which unlike 30D does not yet wait in horizon for a replacement.
I must say that first I was choosing between XTI and D80. And XTI was so cheap that I could get it with an average lens for around $1000.. but this cheap is not for free. No LCD display, lack of button/dial controls - it really reminds of an advanced point-and-shoot, which allows doing your controls only by browsing thru menu... I had opportunity to play a while with such advanced p&s cameras.. and after many attempts to set your aperture/speed and so on, you are getting tired of browsing in menu, and just set to AUTO and forget about any additional features. AND!!! the feel...When I held XTI in my hand, it felt so cheap, the tiny viewfinder.. weight..plastic. No it's not for me.
So in my opinion Canon has currently a gap for advanced amateurs. They definitely won't choose XTI, unless they have already invested in lenses and have no money to get 30D. And also many won't choose 30D because it's already not that new and has not much serious changes since 20D. If I choose 30D then I would not be quite happy when in some 6 months would come the "40D" with almost same price, and lowerng the price of 30D to 30% down.
That's why I have chosen D80. I had no budget for 2.8 apertured Nikkor anymore, and I have chosen Tamron AF 17-50mm f-2_8 SP XR Di II. It's fast enough, it's sharp, it's great, except... very few pictures have small blurry circles in same 2 to 3 places. That's not dust definitely - I cleaned lens and same as before. That's not sensor - it's my only lens currently and I have installed lens only twice (the second time I was checking sensor for dust). Then I looked thru the lens very thoroughly and found 2 tiny particles inside. It's really a bad surprise! One is between one of front glasses and aperture leaves and the other is between back glasses and aperture. I am currently making test pictures, but cannot find these flaws again. Maybe this occurs only under some lightning conditions? I know this is not the most correct place to ask, but any advise is very helpful. Did anyone met something like this? Does anyone have lenses with such particles inside? Should I return this lens to manufacturer?
Sorry for long tale...

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PenK (PenK) 0 pts

August 20, 2007 5:34 PM

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I have had a Canon EOS since 1987. I upgraded to an EOS digital Rebel about 4 years ago when a $5 internal rubber piece went. It was going to cost $250+ in labor to repair. Since all of my lenses fit on the new EOS, it I felt it was a wise choice. I currently have two lenses a 18-55 and a 75 - 300. I am looking at upgrading the camera again. This time I am looking at the 30D with a 28-135 lens.

Other than family gatherings, most of my photos are of my son's sports. He does Cross Country running and biking (tour bike races). I find that I am missing shots (mostly during the bike races) because the camera is not fast enough. It sounds like the 30D shutter speed will solve this problem. (I currently use a SanDisk Extreme III 2.0 GB CF). Since my lenses were purchased prior to the digital SLR, could this also be part of my problem? Do I need to worry about upgrading my lenses for the digital cameras?

Thanks

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by James DeRuvo (byjamesderuvo) 58443 pts

August 21, 2007 1:23 PM

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Well it can certainly do that. However, Canon just announced the 40D which is essentially an upgraded 30D. So you may want to wait just a tad to either check that out or see the prices on the 30D drop some.

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Alex (calphix) 3 pts

August 21, 2007 8:55 PM

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Hey guys, i'm thinking of buying a wide angle lens for my D80, any good recommendation? a friend of mine suggested the Tokina 12-24mm and the store suggested the Sigma 10-20mm

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A. Pranata 1 pts

August 22, 2007 6:46 AM

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Hey Alex, I would prefer Nikon 12-24 mm, but if cost is the reason I would go down for Tokina 12-24 mm. I myself own a Nikon 12-24 mm, but a friend of mine had bought Tokina (it has a well build body) and looking through his result .. I think it is a good lens.

D80 or EOS 30D ???
Well.. I'm a serious photographer... and I bought EOS 10D on 2004 then move to 20D ... I like the result of my canon, the problem is that canon doesn't has a good balance, so if you are using it for a long time, your hand will soon be tired.
So last year I decided to buy D80 and 18-200 nikon lens. This was the first time I use Nikon .. and I've never been so happy to feel the solid and balance body of D80, It has a fantastic viewfinder (It's very .. very brilliant clear), the magnification is good. Image quality is very good.

so here is my opinion regarding nikon or canon:
- if you shoot RAW image result would consider the same, but if you shoot JPEG I found that my canon has
a better "out of camera" result (but anyway you can easily adjust with photoshop)
- if you happen to shoot in a low light condition then canon is better.
- if you are looking for a good "handling" DSLR then I prefer nikon, since I consider "handling" is very important
for me
- speaking about the lenses, both nikon and canon have a very reliable good lenses.
- one thing that annoying me with my nikon is the sound of the focusing motor, while canon has a very silent
motor.

finally... I can't wait to see the 40D reviews.

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Alex (calphix) 3 pts

August 22, 2007 10:46 AM

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Yeah I was thinking about the Nikon 12-24mm but it is so expensive so I think i'll get the Tokina one, thanks

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by James DeRuvo (byjamesderuvo) 58443 pts

August 22, 2007 4:05 PM

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Call me a purist, but to not use a Nikkor when you have the opportunity is a crime. Nikkors are some of the best lenses in the business and it would be like sticking a VW engine in a Porche. Sure, you could probably do it, but the performance wouldn't be what you hoped it would. IMHO.

But if price is an issue, then the Tokina should be an affordable alternative.

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Nicholas (NP0839) 4 pts

September 5, 2007 1:04 PM

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How does the D80 and the 30D compare with how their sensors
are cleaned.Also,does it matter that the D80 flash sy speed is 200?
I have only used a point and shoot digital so this is a new world
to me.I have used my minolta x700 for many years so I do know how
to shoot.I am just still analog in this digital world.Thanks to everyone
in this blog you have given me alot to think about.

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radswim (radswim) 247 pts

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OK this is my first time writing in a question forum for cameras....I had the Nikon D70 and lenses for it! It got stolen from me and now I am in the market for a new SLR! I have read review after review....I loved the D70 however the new Canon 40D has a lot to offer...I have to start over from scratch so does anyone have any advise on whether I should stick with Nikon and upgrade to the D80 or should I spend a few extra bucks on the 40D! I am torn and I would like to know which one would be the most versatile for full range of shooting! If anyone has an opinion of the Nikkor 18-200 VR lens that would be helpful too! I am an amateur/enthusiast and I use my camera all of the time...I have been jonesing for over a month now without it! I just don't want to make a rash decision! Thank you ahead of time for your input!!

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A. Pranata 1 pts

September 8, 2007 12:12 AM

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well, to be honest it is a hard decision to choose between Nikon or Canon. one thing I know for sure that both camera producers have an outstanding record. I've used Canon for a long time, and tried Nikon D80 recently, I use my Nikon a lot. both has the same image quality ... one thing that I like a lot from Nikon is the balance design and also the big bright viewfinder. I use 18-200 VR lenses and I think that this is an excellent lens, it covers all your needs.

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by James DeRuvo (byjamesderuvo) 58443 pts

September 8, 2007 12:22 AM

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I agree, AP. But all things being equal, a Nikkor is a Nikkor. Period. There are some Nikkors (in particular a 105mm portrait) that pros refuse to give up and their decades old. That speaks to something.

However, many pros in sports use the Canon. I think Radswim would be happy either way. And since you're already comfortable with the Nikon platform, I'd stay that way.

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radswim (radswim) 247 pts

September 8, 2007 10:29 AM

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Thank you both so much for your response....I am probably going with the nikon with the 18-200 VR lens! I just don't want to outgrow the Nikon....By outgrow I mean technology. I need the latest but where I am starting over I hope to make the right decision. I love Nikons performance, but after reading a professional review on it vs the Rebel XTi it had a flaw that I was concerned with. The dust seals were not as tight as would be expected from a Nikon product. This is a concern but not the only factor. Does the 40D use a beter seal and body construction....I really do use my Camera almost daily and dust is a real concern. What are you thoughs on the housing Armor they make for these cameras are they worth it and do they inhibit the performance of the camera? Thank you both so so so much again this is really helping me!!

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by James DeRuvo (byjamesderuvo) 58443 pts

September 10, 2007 2:32 PM

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Well I'd consider the XTi then. It has a dust removal system in it's lenses that uses ultra sound waves to keep the lens free of dust.

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A. Pranata 1 pts

September 10, 2007 11:56 PM

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Agree with you James ... but please consider 40D as well .. it has better body construction.

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by James DeRuvo (byjamesderuvo) 58443 pts

September 12, 2007 12:23 PM

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Oh, I'm sure it does. But I usually recommend the likes of a 40D for a more experienced shooter who has grown beyond an entry level DSLR and spends most of their experience in manual - doing speciality shooting, etc. I didn't get that vibe here. I may be wrong though.

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radswim (radswim) 247 pts

September 12, 2007 12:31 PM

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A lot of the time I do Manual....but it is nice to have the option of a nice DSLR to shoot AF because My GF likes to mess around with it too!! I am going to buy the 40D for a couple of reasons....1st it will get me more motivated to expand my skill and hone my ability. 2nd it has room to grow and become a more avid photographer despite not being a professional!! Thank you for all of your feedback....I needed to hear from others before I bit the bullet and changed camera platforms! Thanks Again!!

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by James DeRuvo (byjamesderuvo) 58443 pts

September 12, 2007 12:43 PM

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That sounds like an excellent plan, rad. But I'd be thinking of maybe getting your GF her own camera so she doesn't mess with your 40D! LOL.

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Alex (calphix) 3 pts

September 15, 2007 7:31 AM

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Can anyone tell me how to choose which tripod and tripod head to get? thanks

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by James DeRuvo (byjamesderuvo) 58443 pts

September 18, 2007 4:04 PM

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Videomaker has an annual write up on TriPods every year. It may help you. Granted, that's video, but a tripod is a tripod. One thing that's going to determine you needs is what kind of shooting will you be using it for. Action style? Sports? If Sports, maybe a monopod is more to your liking.

Here's another article which may help to know what to look for.

You want a good fluid head and a quick release plate which will allow you to shoot on the go.

As for personal use - I like Velbon for the basic tripod. But size and weight does matter. Keep in mind when shopping around for tripods the weight of your camera plus the weight of extras. Make sure that tripod can carry the load of the camera, lenses and flash.

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Alex (calphix) 3 pts

September 21, 2007 8:58 AM

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hi James, thanks for all the help, I actually have another question, I was thinking of buying a macro lens and looking into the Nikon 105mm f/2.8 lens, i read the reviews in www.kenrockwell.com and he said that he preferred the non VR model which as of now i can only see used in Ebay, what do you think? VR or non VR edition? thanks

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by James DeRuvo (byjamesderuvo) 58443 pts

September 21, 2007 1:38 PM

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Well, the nice thing about the VR lens is that the optical image stabilization is quite handy. Much better than the software driven IS. However, if you're shooting Macro, it's always best to use a tripod to keep the camera stable during those close up shots. As such, VR isn't really all that necessary. At least for a macro lens. IMHO. However, if you're planning on shooting macro handheld, it'll help.

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Alex (calphix) 3 pts

September 21, 2007 7:26 PM

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Yeah i was thinking that the VR system will be handy if i end up using it as a short telephoto, but at the kenrockwell site, he said that the autofocusing on the VR model is not reliable, is that true? I kinda want to buy a new one but since the non VR model is old they only have used ones so then I'd have to buy it from Ebay and I don't know how reliable that will be, it might come to be all scratched up.....any suggestion?

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by James DeRuvo (byjamesderuvo) 58443 pts

September 22, 2007 12:29 AM

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Well, the thing about eBay is you pay your money and you takes your chances.

Ken makes some good points, but I've found reviews that state that it has nice overall performance. So I think it's a case of Your Mileage May Vary.

Since we're talking about a few hundred here, I'm betting, why not go to a local premium camera store and see if you can rent one? That way you get a first hand experience with the lens and often, if you buy it from them, they'll deduct the cost of the rental from the sale price.

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Alex (calphix) 3 pts

September 22, 2007 3:14 AM

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do you by chance know a place where I can get the second hand 105mm non VR model? its really hard to come by now, even on ebay there isn't much available. There are always bad and good reviews for everything which makes it hard to decide haha. So if the difference between the two lens are very minor/slight then I guess buying the VR model would be good too although its so much more expensive. I like in Asia right now, unfortunately I don't have the luxury of trying out lenses, here in Asia you either buy it or not, you can't take it out to try, oh well, thanks James

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lighthouse 2 pts

September 23, 2007 12:07 AM

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Hi Everyone, I have been following this thread for a while now and I am very pleased on the input that everyone has contributed.

Hi Alex,

I only know e-bay or Amazon.com for second hand stuff but then again, James is right ... "Well, the thing about eBay is you pay your money and you takes your chances.”

Ritzcamera.com has it: Nikon 105mm f/2.8G ED-IF AF-S VR Micro-Nikkor Close-up Lens Mfr # 2160 Our Stock # 541535902 Our Price: $899.95

I have the 50mm with f1.8 it is very good and very fast. I am thinking about getting the 18-200 VR lens myself because I have kids to follow around with the camera and sure am tired of switching lenses in between... Thank you James for the advice......

Cheers,

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Alex (calphix) 3 pts

September 23, 2007 12:35 AM

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Thanks lighthouse, I'm actually trying to find the older model, the non VR one, i actually found some on ebay and also on Adorama, i might just get the one from Adorama since I heard that they are very reliable. I'm still deciding whether or not to get the 50mm f/1.4 or 1.8, i'm not sure if there is a really big difference between them, all i know is that the price is really different hehe.

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by James DeRuvo (byjamesderuvo) 58443 pts

September 24, 2007 12:00 PM

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Lighthouse, while I did say that, I should also point out that eBay does have several tools to minimize the risk. These include Feedback ratings, paypal protection, and even escrow services. So it isn't as risky as I made it sound with my one liner.

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lighthouse 2 pts

September 24, 2007 2:41 PM

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Ok :-} Thanks again James.

Good luck Alex. If you end up getting the 108mm, please let me know how it is.. /thanks.

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Alex (calphix) 3 pts

September 24, 2007 10:32 PM

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I waited too long to decide and the one I wanted from Adorama is gone haha....i might just find one on ebay, i'll let you know

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TSmith 0 pts

September 24, 2007 11:02 PM

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I am a complete newbie and I am wanting to discover the wonderful world of photography, with all of it's possibilties artistically and possibly career wise. I am trying to decide between the d80, d200, & the 30d. After reading the posts, I'm leaning towards the Nikon d80. By being a newbie, I'm a little concerned about the dust issue. Is this a big concern? Also, I am very limited as far as funds are concerned so I was thinking of getting the NIKKOR 18-200 lense because I read several times that it would cover just about everything. Please help me in deciding the best course for me.

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by James DeRuvo (byjamesderuvo) 58443 pts

September 25, 2007 12:17 PM

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If the dust issue concerns you, you may want to look at the Canon XTi. It has an ultrasound dust removal feature on it's Canon lenses that's pretty slick. And being an entry level photographer, it would fit you much easier than the 30D, IMHO.

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October 9, 2007 12:37 PM

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I have an old nikon n80 and it looks like my 2 lens are a 28-80mm and an 75-300mm. I am considering coming into the future and purchasing the nikon d80 and get rid of film altogether. My question is.... will those 2 lens work w/ the new D80?

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by James DeRuvo (byjamesderuvo) 58443 pts

October 9, 2007 2:35 PM

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Yes. But they'll probably only work in manual, I'm guessing. That's not a bad thing, mind you, since you are obviously a seasoned SLR user.

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Mike Woolf 0 pts

October 20, 2007 10:41 PM

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Experts, great thread. I am going on a safari in africa in December. Not used an SLR for nearly 10 years (used to get one free to shoot tennis at Wimbledon in the day of film and that was always a Nikkon).

My friend has a D80 with the 18-200mm lens + UV filter. Is ths lens the best for shooting (not literally of course) big game in the morning?

Mike

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by James DeRuvo (byjamesderuvo) 58443 pts

October 22, 2007 4:55 PM

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It should work great for that - but your mileage may vary since it also depends on how far away from the game you really are. and since you'll be shooting wildlife at the extreme range of the focal length, you may want to invest in a good mono/tripod. And since it's been awhile, you may want to get some practicing in with it. If you live in so Cal, a day at the Wild Animal park in San Diego would be beneficial.

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Mike Woolf 0 pts

October 22, 2007 9:11 PM

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thanks james - i live in Indonesia but we do have a safari park here as well!!

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by James DeRuvo (byjamesderuvo) 58443 pts

October 23, 2007 1:50 PM

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Excellent. Start practicing!

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Ready to jump in (Phoebsnyc) 1 pts

November 5, 2007 1:35 PM

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Ok I am in this same Canon/Nikon predicament..I have never shot professionally(and am honestly not the most technically sound) but am planning on pursuing photo as a career as I have been kidding myself working in advertising( a tune i'm sure many of you know) and all I do is take pictures.Image quality is my biggest deal. Since many of my questions have been answered by previous threads..consider this:

CanonEOS 40D w.28-135 lens- $1499.99
Nikon D80 w/ 18-135mm lens--$1149.88

Thoughts?

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by James DeRuvo (byjamesderuvo) 58443 pts

November 5, 2007 1:38 PM

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I think where you have to look is the professional world with which you are going to be working. Both will work equally well. But that Nikkor lens is hard to pass up. And if you can get an old 105mm Nikkor Portrait lens (if you can manage to get a pro to part with it, that is), you're way ahead of the game.

In my mind, both are equal to the task.

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Someone 0 pts

November 6, 2007 7:23 AM

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Ok when I say i'm new to this (digital) i mean really new...so please go easy because this may seem like a stupid question...

D80 - 10.2mega pixles
30D - 8.2mega pixles

Does this really make much difference?

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by James DeRuvo (byjamesderuvo) 58443 pts

November 7, 2007 2:07 PM

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For photos 8x10 and below the untrained eye probably won't notice any difference at all. Above 8x10, that extra MP can really be beneficial. So, in the end it depends on the kind of photography you're into. But for 99% of the average shooter's pics, no, it won't really.

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WynPainter 0 pts

November 10, 2007 7:58 PM

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Hello, I have been reading reviews and have made a couple trips to the camera store learning about Canon and Nikon DSLR's. I have found I am in the same position as Tom was in, unable to make a clear decision on which camera to buy. First I looked at the Canon Rebel XTI but found that the compact body was hard for my large hands to hold onto. I can just see an accident waiting to happen with this camera when it is dropped. I am looking at the D80 and D200 Nikon cameras and the Canon 40D. I like the larger feel of the bodies of these cameras plus the fact that the bodies are metal and not plastic on the D200 Nikon and the Canon 40d. It scares me to invest $700.00 in this lens and $900 to $1300.00 plus for a camera body and then find out that Nikon is headed towards changing the motors to the camera body. Is this true? I am really leaning toward the Canon 40d but many have told me the Nikkor lenses are supreme over Canon lenses and that Nikon seems to be a better camera. My uses for this new camera would be lots of closeups of pottery usually shot inside in a variety of light settings including ultraviolet light, overhead lamps, low light situations etc. I have been told that a very good lens from Nikon is the 18-200mm lens but after reading some confusing reviews on this lense, the major problem seems to be the quality of the materials it is made of. I am new to photography and would like any input someone might have to help make this decision easier. Thanks.

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Bamn! 1 pts

November 11, 2007 10:57 AM

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I just discovered and read this thread, and it has been a great read!

To answer PenK's question from August, I upgraded from the 300D Rebel to the 30D and yes, the speed alone was worth the upgrade. You won't be missing shots anymore, and I definitely had that problem with the Rebel, primarily because of the shallow 4 jpeg buffer.

Someone, megapixels matter very, very little. The difference when I went from 6.3MP to 8.2MP was that my images were just 500 pixels wider and 300 pixels taller. Going to 10MP would offer an even smaller improvement.

As a 30D user, I do get slightly envious of D80/D200 users. Some areas Canon's products are better, like low noise images at high ISOs, while Nikon wins in other areas. However the decision is even harder nowadays, with the 40D being out. That camera truly gives Nikon a run for their money and has features that they don't offer, like the sensor self-clean.

I would recommend the Canon xxD line over Nikon, to anyone wanting to take pictures at high ISOs. WOW. Sometimes I forget I'm shooting, say, ISO 1600, because the pictures look so good. Very clean images, especially when paired with an "IS" image stabilizer lens.

Buying into Nikon vs Canon "system" is definitely an extremely difficult choice to make. Although I think there's no wrong answer. Good luck to everyone facing it!

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by James DeRuvo (byjamesderuvo) 58443 pts

November 12, 2007 10:52 AM

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I agree, Bamn!. Sometimes discussions like this come down to almost religious fervor when both, or either, can work rqually well. But I have to tell you this. As a Canon fan, if I could get ahold of one of those old 105mm nikkors, that would tip the scale for me in favor of the D80/D200.

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DSLR 112 pts

December 28, 2007 11:11 PM

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Let's make it tougher.....considered the D300?

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January 10, 2008 11:53 PM

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I am also looking at the Nikon D80 with the 18-200mm VR Nikkor lens. The price of the D80 at $900 and the price of the 18-200mm VR lens at $800 is pushing my wallet to its max, and I still need a memory card, flash, filter, monopod, trypod,........ So I am looking at the New Tamron 18-250mm for $500. I know it is not a VR lens but is the $300 worth it. Is the quality of the Tamron lenses good, bad, or is there a big difference from the Tamron, Sigma, Promaster to the Nikkor lenses. Also to save some money I am looking at the package deal D80 and Nikkor 18-135mm non VR lens at a price of $1200 is this better then the Tamron option, or is the bigger range a better way to go.

I really need some help with which lens to pick, and if the nonNikkor lens are any good.

Thanks for any help at all.

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by James DeRuvo (byjamesderuvo) 58443 pts

January 11, 2008 11:14 PM

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Back when I was selling cameras in college, Tamron was a solid third tier lens manufacturer. They have improved their quality alot in the last two decades. Still, in comparison to Nikkor ... well, there is no comparison. But I understand your desire to keep the cost of your camera under control. My recommendation is to look for a used lens on eBay and save twoards the real deal. But if you prefer a new lens and are on a budget, Tamron and Sigma would be my first choice over Promaster. (You'll hear some disagreement on this, so I'll say IMHO).

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Abhishek 0 pts

April 11, 2008 12:28 PM

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Canon EOS 30D 8.2MP Digital SLR Camera with EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM Standard Zoom Lens @ $1280
Nikon D80 10.2MP Digital SLR Camera Kit with 18-135mm AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor Lens @ $1000
Nikon D40x 10.2MP Digital SLR Camera with 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6G ED-IF AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor Lens @ $929

I am planning to buy my first dslr. Photography is my hobby and I generally do street photos, cityscapes and I prefer b/w shooting a lot.
Would prefer an all-in-one lens to start off with as I'm practically on a shoe-string budget.
Need advice as I'm simply overwhelmed by the huge array of reviews I've been reading for the better part of last month!!
I leave the decision to you guys...please help narrow down within a week's time.

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by James DeRuvo (byjamesderuvo) 58443 pts

April 11, 2008 1:49 PM

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The D40X is largely an entry level DSLR. I think you can bypass that one since you're already into the hobby. The D80 is more for those who are already in the deep in. Comparing to the 30D, both are solid platforms. I think you'd be happy with either of them. So, if price is an option, then I'd spend less and use the difference for a better, faster lens.

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Shaolin (Shaolin) 0 pts

April 11, 2008 6:05 PM

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Hello Folks, stuck with Canon 30D vs Nikon D80....
I started out with Canon EOS 400D aka XTi vs Nikon D80. I've been shooting photos for long, but only with point-n-shoot cameras.
Given D80 has pentaprism viewfinder, spot metering and better ergonomics compared to XTi, I was more inclined for D80. But, I went back and had a look at Canon 30D.
Interestingly price for D80 ($730) vs D30 ($800) is very comparable (body only, as per B&H photo)

Given I don't own any lens now, what tradeoffs would I be making if I choose one over the other.
For now, I'm more oriented towards Canon for it's Magnesium Alloy body compared to D80's high grade plastic, faster 5fps continuous, CMOS sensor (=>better pictures at higher ISOs), better choice of post-processing software.

Actually this should be in a separate thread, but...
Lenses: No matter what body I choose, I plan to buy Tamron 18-200mm over kit-lenses. My justification for this is that this lens would allow me experiment more (meaning higher range of focal lengths) and would serve as a good starter all-in-one lens.
As an expert, what is your take on that?

P.S. This post is NOT intended to evoke the Nikon vs Canon ire. Just expecting some genuine feedback that would help me understand tradeoffs.

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by James DeRuvo (byjamesderuvo) 58443 pts

April 12, 2008 11:25 AM

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Well, if you're hard on your equipment, then I'd go with the 30D. If nothing else, that alloy chasis will make you feel better if you drop or bang it around. The faster burst mode is a plus if you shoot action shots more. As for "post-processing software" that's a wash as the best is Photoshop/Photoshop Elements, anyway. A free option is Picasa from Google. It's a great tool for managing your photographs, cleaning up red eye, and even printing them. On the mac side, you can't get any better than iPhoto which is also free when you buy your mac (or you can buy it as part of the iLife suite for about $80-100).

The CMOS sensor is the real ticket and will reduce noise at higher ISO - which is the achilles heal of higher MP cameras in the point and shoot world.

Now to lenses, have you taken a look at the Sigma varieties? They are running neck and neck with Canon/Nikon lenses of late and some, according to Photography magazine and testimonies on this board, are down right superior.

An all in one lens is ideal just starting out. Just do yourself a favor and buy a 1A Skylight filter for it. Reason being? Insurance. They will take any impact damage and spare your lens. I can't tell you many times I have thrashed a 1A filter and saved my camera lens. It's well worth the $20 or so, believe me.

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Shaolin (Shaolin) 0 pts

April 12, 2008 4:40 PM

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> Well, if you're hard on your equipment, then I'd go with the 30D.
Actually, I'm a careful handler, but doesn't hurt to know body could take some beating :)

>The faster burst mode is a plus if you shoot action shots more.
Yes, since I would love to have an all rounder body, good to have this feature.
I don't photograph for living, and so, can't afford many bodies, at least to start with.

>As for "post-processing software" that's a wash as the best is Photoshop/Photoshop Elements, anyway. A free option is Picasa from Google. It's a great tool for managing your photographs, cleaning up red eye, and even printing them.
Noted!

>Now to lenses, have you taken a look at the Sigma varieties?
No, actually I only looked Tamron.

>They are running neck and neck with Canon/Nikon lenses of late and some, according to Photography magazine and testimonies on this board, are down right superior.
Are you talking about 18-200mm in particular? If so, then the prices are exactly the same on B&H photo.
And in one review I read, they perform equally well. If you are talking about long run other lenses,
I definitely need to look at more lenses.

>An all in one lens is ideal just starting out.
Yes, that's the goal, to get started. And also for occasions where changing lenses would be clumsy
or not favorable.

>Just do yourself a favor and buy a 1A Skylight filter for it. Reason being? Insurance. They will take any impact damage and spare your lens. I can't tell you many times I have thrashed a 1A filter and saved my camera lens. It's well worth the $20 or so, believe me.
Thanks a ton for that one James. Since I'm just starting with DSLR, I didn't know this was so important.
I'll definitely add it to my must-have list and buy it off along with the lens.

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Alex (calphix) 3 pts

April 15, 2008 12:39 PM

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Hey everyone, I have a Nikon D80, could anyone suggest a nice telephoto lens? i have an 18-200 VR lens already, and I want one that goes longer for lanscapes.....but is there a telephoto lens that is far, great for landscapes and also action (movement) shots and thats affordable? is that possible?

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by James DeRuvo (byjamesderuvo) 58443 pts

April 15, 2008 1:35 PM

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Zooming for landscapes? Usually one wants a wide angle for that purpose. Nikon does make lenses for ranges from 300mm-600mm. But just remember, the longer the focal length, the greater the possibility of camera shake and the need for a faster "F" stop and either a mono or tripod. At at larger than 200mm, affordable is seldom in the equation.

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Alex (calphix) 3 pts

April 25, 2008 7:00 AM

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I got another question, the Epson P3000 and P5000, prices $431 and $615 USD respectively, is it worth getting the P5000 for about $180USD more for the extrea 50GB, if i'm not a pro photographer?

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by James DeRuvo (byjamesderuvo) 58443 pts

April 25, 2008 3:59 PM

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Well that depends on how much of a shutter bug you are. Personally, I think that 40Gb is more than enough. Even if you toss in videos you plan to keep. Sure, that extra 80 would be great to have, but I'm betting you could put all your pictures on the 40GB and still have room left over for video.

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lighthouse 2 pts

July 12, 2008 11:31 PM

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Hello again,
I have the fixed 50mm 1.8f lense and I am very happy with it. The only thing is I can't really use it about 10 feet away from my subject. If I were to take Baptism or bday party pictures what fixed or fish eye lense would you recommend? Should I use 18, 12-24 or 10.8? Also, something inexpensive for an amateur like me. Thanks again.

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by James DeRuvo (byjamesderuvo) 58443 pts

July 14, 2008 5:27 PM

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50mm lenses have their place, sure, but they are incredibly limited. I don't think you want a fish-eye as they distort the image to look like you're viewing life through a viewing port in your front door. I hold that a zoom that goes from say 18-105 will give you about 75% of what you're doing. It'll give you wide angles for group shots and landscapes, but also a nice portrait capability. But if you can't get close enough to get a good picture (as some ceremonies won't allow it) then you may want to look at a longer lens like an 18-200 or there abouts. Sigma makes some great ones that are affordable and are nearly as good as the name brands (according to recent Popular Photography reviews).

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July 15, 2008 11:49 AM

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Hi,
I have the 18-200mm VR already (it's just heavy)... But it's a good thing that I don't have to spend anymore :-} Have a good day! Thanks again.

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Alex (calphix) 3 pts

September 24, 2008 5:29 AM

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hi everyone, I'm planning to watch the Macau Grand Prix, I currently have a 18-200mm lens, is that good enough to use or can anyone suggest a better one? thanks

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by James DeRuvo (byjamesderuvo) 58443 pts

September 24, 2008 3:52 PM

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Well, anything larger will require you to use a monopod to keep it steady. If that's where you want to go. I think it'll work fine. What you'll want to do, though, is practice panning with the action and keeping the camera prefocused. This will help for those quick action shots.

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Alex (calphix) 3 pts

September 24, 2008 10:12 PM

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thanks for the quick response, what lens would you recommend though? decent price nothing too expensive, i was looking into the 80-400 is that any good? or should i just stick to my 18-200?

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by James DeRuvo (byjamesderuvo) 58443 pts

September 26, 2008 6:29 PM

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Wow, great thread. I don't know if you reall need a 400 lens. Nice if you have money to burn, but the larger the lens, the slower they get. which means you need to pay even more for the speed you lose to get the distance. And since you're waiting something not to expensive, and you're shooting high speed racing, I'd suggest sticking with the 18-200 and just finding a great camera angle to shoot it. And a monopod would definitely be needed due to that nasty camera shake.

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October 7, 2008 4:33 PM

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I'm new to SLR photography. Recently started with a D70 and a sigma 10-20 wide angle lens for real estate photography. The D70 has been dropped and the switch on the front of the camera got broken, now it won't work on auto. Manual only....... SO, I'm considering upgrading the camera body to either a D80 or a D200. Will my lens, batteries, Speedlight SB-600 all fit on the camera's I am considering? Thanks in advance!

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by James DeRuvo (byjamesderuvo) 58443 pts

October 8, 2008 5:26 PM

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Absolutely. You shouldn't have any trouble. One of the beauties of the Nikkor system is the lens legacy. But I'd keep the D70 as a backup though. A good manual camera is great for learning.

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Alex (calphix) 3 pts

October 13, 2008 3:58 AM

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hey James, regarding the macau grand prix that i mentioned before, do you think the 80-200 f/2.8 would work better? cause i went wakeboarding this weekend and I used my 18-200 to take photos and more than half of them were blurry, do you think the 80-200 would work better? thanks

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by James DeRuvo (byjamesderuvo) 58443 pts

October 13, 2008 4:32 PM

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If it has a faster f-stop rating, you bet. But just because it's faster, doesn't guarantee against blurry pictures. Are you using a monopod or handheld? With the lens wide open, was the shutter speed too long? Did you prefocus? Pan with the action? And remember, unless your lens is specifically 2.8 for the entire focal length (which is more expensive) the lens may be 2.8 at say 80mm and then go to 4.6 at 200.

But sure, it'll help.

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Alex (calphix) 3 pts

October 14, 2008 3:09 AM

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no when i was taking wakeboarding photos i was sitting in the speed boat, i had the shutter speed on 1/100 i believe, i had some good ones but a bunch of blurry ones, thats why i was looking into the 80-200 or the 70-200, one final question, i know that the 70-200 works with tele-converters, does the 80-200?

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by James DeRuvo (byjamesderuvo) 58443 pts

October 15, 2008 3:58 PM

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Well, considering you're going over waves and wakes while running the boat, it's no wonder you had several blurry ones. That shutter speed is just plain too slow. At least 1/400. Better yet, set it for the sports preset. And fire off several in burst mode.

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Alex (calphix) 3 pts

October 16, 2008 12:12 AM

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ill give that a try thanks James

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Hans (hansfredr) 0 pts

February 26, 2009 12:42 PM

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I have been looking at the Nikon D80 recently and was pretty set on it until a friend offered me a Canon 30D in great condition for under $400 (no lens). I mainly shoot theatre for lighting purposes and need to upgrade to a more serious camera. I am torn, I am not sure if I should go with the deal or hold out for the Nikon. Is there any advice as to which manufacturer would be a better option. Thanks.

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