Canon Powershot A650 IS
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If you've spent any time bouncing around DCHQ, you'll know that we've been tremendous fans of the Canon A640. It's a great camera, so great in fact, that we never thought much about how it could be made better. Lucky for us, Canon was thinking about that, and the A650 IS is their answer. Naturally, they've increased the number of megapixels, chasing the 12MP trend as they should. What's really got us excited however, is the introduction of image stabilization and an above-average 6x optical zoom! The 'A' series cameras are great, with simple automatic settings for novice users and full manual controls for those who want to experiment. The A650 IS is a camera you can grow into, and provides a lot of photographic potential in a small point-and-shoot package.
Specifications
- 12 megapixels
- 6x optical zoom / 4x digital zoom
- Lens-shift image stabilization
- JPEG file format
- Movie mode with sound
- Auto and manual focus
- Auto and manual exposure
- ISO 80-1600
- 2.5-inch swivel LCD display
- Secure Digital memory storage (32MB card included)
- 4 AA batteries
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Canon Powershot A650 IS Reviews by Digital Camera-HQ Users
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very good camera, with good shot in dark area
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Had for a year. Takes great pictures. Went to Disney World took over 300 pictures with the 4 Lith-Ion Batteries and still have never changed them a year later. Best camera I have ever owned.
Canon Powershot A650 IS Comments & Questions (write your own!)
The major differences are as follows:
A650 IS has optical image stabilization, where the A640 did not.
A650 IS has a 12mp sensor to the A640's 10mp.
A650 IS offers ISO1600 as opposed to the A640's ISO800 max.
A650 IS has 6x optical zoom to the A640's 4x.
A650 IS offers a higher resolution LCD screen (173,000px vs. 115,000px).
Hope this helps!
The introduction of a new model probably has something to do with maintaining and improving market share. More often than not, it is a response to competitors pushing out new models that are targetted to out perform Canon's existing models.
A650 definitely is an improvement over A640 with respect to higher sensor resolution (12.1 megapixels), image stabilization, vari-angle & higher resolution LCE screen, incorporation of new Digi III processor, 6X zoom lens, higher ISO setting (3200), face detection and nine point autofocus. You can read all about it in <a href="popphoto.com/photonews/4491... and <a href="digitalcamerareview.com/def...
Thank you.
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I decided to try to copy what they gave me.
Thank you.
Does the A650 have image stabilization and face detection?
It isn't wasteful if you get rechargeables.
* I can use 15-minute rechargeable AAs, which are cheaper than decent LiIons, available at Costco or any hardware store, and can be charged while I'm packing my gear.
* If I don't have an opportunity to recharge batteries, I can get AAs cheaply and easily anywhere and/or throw them in my bag for spares.
* If I lose some AAs on a shoot (even the 15-minute ones) it is much less of a catastrophe than losing LiIons that I have to order online.
My other digicam (Nikon CP5400) uses custom LiIons, which are expensive and seem to have a short lifespan, between my losing them, getting them wet and wrecking them while tidepooling, and just dying early because I stopped getting $40 batteries after losing/wrecking a battery every time I went on a shoot away from home. If you're more careful with your stuff (or don't mind the pricetag), this may not be a big factor for you. I'd like the G9 better if it had a nice big grip full of AAs! (Well, that and its lack of a flip-out LCD. I shoot a lot of nature macros, and it's a lot easier getting the bug's eye view when I can flip the LCD instead of sticking my face down on the ground.)
The only thing still lacking on the A650 is a hotshoe like the G9 has. My Nikon has a hotshoe so I can use a separate flash on a cord for bounce or directional light. Maybe Canon just hopes I'll buy one of each--the A650 for nature macros, and the G9 for news/people shots.
However, then I found another issue with the A650 - I need to use a tripod quite a lot, and then look at the phtoos on the computer immediately, and Canon have changed the set up for the card which used to be on the side, and bunged it in on the bottom with the batteries.
That means I'd hve to unscrew the tripod every time I want to take the card out. That settles the matter for me - far too inconvenient!
Oh, BTW - this could be the least of your troubles. Canon has put out a Service Advisory ( usa.canon.com/consumer/cont... ) on this model you want to be aware of:
We have recently discovered that, under specific shooting conditions a problem may occur in images taken with this product. The details of this problem are described below.
Phenomenon
When shooting with the camera's variangle LCD monitor open under sunny skies, where sunlight shines directly on the exposed back of the camera, problems like the one shown in the image below may occur.
Affected Cameras
Powershot A650 IS digital cameras that have a zero in the fifth digit from the left (xxxx0xxxxx) in the serial number listed on the bottom of the camera are affected.
For more information, click on the link above.
See specifications of A650 at <a href="dpreview.com/reviews/specs/...
Thanks
I was only able to compare the previous models of both - so take this with a grain of salt. Both are near identical in performance, with the A600 series having a slight edge in the macro range. So, assuming that the new models would continue that tradition of being closely linked performance wise, I think that either one will work just fine for you.
Finally, when trying to make a final call, it may just come down to what camera feels good in your hand. Go to a local camera store and check both out side by side, holding them, feeling their center of gravity, the balance. How it sits in your hand. That usually sells me one way or the other.
I am fans of Canon camera. Currently I have PS A 520 and i am interested in A 650 IS
How about the performance of 650IS (delay from shot to shot) compared with A640?
Anyone can explain the meaning of continuous shooting sped (stated in fps)? SInce as I look at dpreview.com, A640 IS has continuous shootng aproc 1.5 fps, while A650 IS only 1.3 fps.
Is this mean longer delay from shot to shot?
Thx
So yes, when in continuous mode, there is a longer "delay" on the A650IS. Neglible, though.
When taking pictures, shot to shot, when not using continuous shooting mode, shot to shot time will be nearly the same. There may be a slightly longer "preview" time with the A650IS, but again, it's neglible.
And good choice with getting a camera with 4 "AA" batteries! The flash won't slow you down like cameras with 2 "AA" batteries will!
The A640IS is a great camera. I think the A650IS is a small improvement over the A640IS, with higher resolution, more zoom, and they even managed a slightly larger CCD to help account for the higher pixel count.
The only thing that should stop you from getting the A650IS (instead of the A640IS) is the $100 difference in price. If that's not an issue, get the A650IS :)
I use it mainly to capture tennis serves and strokes and am concerned with the lag time between shots. Any recommendations? The airline just lost my 710 and I need to replace it.
If you need that capability, perhaps thinking the other way around and getting a video camcorder which also shoots digital stills to a memory card is more what you need.
I'll be more specific with the brightness question. While recording a movie, the A80 doesn't auto-adjusts to different lit environments. For example, I start a movie in a room (room light exposure) and then, still recording the movie, go out outside (shiny light exposure). The A80 remains "stuck" with the room light exposure so the whole outside environment is recorded over-exposed. The S3 automatically corrects the exposure. Can the A650 auto-correct...?
If video is where you're mind is, then you may want to look for a video camera that has digital still features that save to an SD card. Some are up to 6mp now.
Though I understand your claim about DSC's, I've seen the Canon S3 recording a movie with stereo sound while able to zoom in/out OPTICALLY and adjusting exposure according to the light in the different environments.
My question hasn't been answered.
The point is the video feature of a digital still is a marketing feature that points to being able to do more with the camera, making it more desireable. This is not to say that video with it or any other point and shoot is lack luster. Just basic. And as such, it's best to understand a camera's limitations and keep it in mind.
If video is your primary interest, but you like the convenience of also being able to shoot stills, then perhaps you should consider getting a video camera that has a digital still option. The current technology saves to SD cards and some models can shoot up to 6MP.
Perhaps some will chime in. And I hope they do. But I doubt if that'll change the facts here.
But compact point and shoots, well, they know how to do it, but historically, keeping camera prices low has made it more cost prohibitive. The good news is that according to recent news articles, many camera companies will be incorporating the CCD chips they use in their SLR lines (which give no shutter lag) into their point and shoot cameras. So look for it within the next few years.
Meantime, there are a few tips to speed up your performance:
1. Prefocus. Hold down the shutter half way to get a prefocus of the image you're shooting. When it changes, prefocus again. This will speed up your camera's performance during picture taking since it won't have to autofocus before it shoots the shot. This will speed up your shutter lag time by as much as 80%!
2. Use faster SD cards. Yes, there are faster cards and it does make a difference in writing the image file to the card. This is especially key if you're taking multiple or burst images.
3. Fresher batteries. Use alkalines at least. But I recommend using high energy batteries designed for digital photography. Varta is a good brand. They are usually sold in camera shops, are long lasting (because they are sold in small quantities) put out alot of energy.
4. Shoot in "sports" modes when you're in situations that require action. Night or available light modes when in night time settings. These presets can help in speeding up your shots, rather than the camera taking a split second to evaluate the conditions of the lighting.
5. Pan with the action. You can create some pretty cool shots by panning with your shot, focusing on your subject. This will create the effect of your subject in sharp contrast to the blurry background.
6. Use a flash - even in day time. This will "freeze" the image and cause your subject to "pop" in the shot. However, flash is only designed for limited range and can dissipate outside of about 20-25 feet unless you're using a zoomable flash.
7. Stick with 100-400 ISO. Going higher will cause more noise/grain in your shots, particularly in darker settings.
Other specs: Power up to first shot = ~2 seconds; shot-to-shot delay = ~2 seconds without flash, and 2.8-3.5 seconds with flash (depending on different variables); burst mode = nearly 1fps with flash and about 1.5fps without flash.
Hope that helps!
The A650's flip-out screen also shouldn't be a selling point for this type of camera. For instance, the A630IS has the flip-out screen. As does the A640. The S3IS also has the flip-out screen, but that's a non-dSLR (ie, bulkier) camera. The A650 is larger than the G9 by quite a bit, especially its thickness (because of the hand-grip).
The bottom line comes to price. If you have $450-$500 to spend, the G9 is a great great camera and well worth the price to someone who doesn't want to carry around a big dSLR. RAW mode is amazing and you should give it a try if you get it... the only thing it costs you is storage space on your memory card. If you don't want to use any of those dSLR features it has, and want to spend half the price, I would suggest looking at the A630IS. It has the flip-out screen you're looking for, a 4x optical zoom, 8MP, and great picture quality.
And the use of 4 x AA batteries, as before, seems to double the weight of the camera. Not for me, this one!
At least your comment about the tripod is warranted. I can't imagine that being a huge settling point, though, since you can preview them on the camera, and take hundreds of pictures before a typical memory card is full. And removing a tripod mount is just unscrewing it. Sure, if you had to do this every other picture it'd get annoying, but by no means a deal-breaker. As far as barrel distortion......(?), the A620 had very good barrel distortion for a camera of this time. Please read here: url=dpreview.com/reviews/canona... The A650 is only marginally worse, if that. Very much neglible.
I have symptoms of Parkinson's disease. this causes intermittent hand tremmors
You also may want to invest in a monpod for an extra bit of stability. Not as stable as a tripod, but far more mobile, and it could double as a nice walking stick/cane should you require it. A monpod would help with the tremors but be mobile enough not to weigh you down.
Also can someone recommend a website with a glossary of the technical terms associated with digital cameras ?
Frank
Another option would be the SD950IS, which has a 12MP processor. Both have IS and would work really well for you.
Now I have 3 options to check-out.
Frank
For you daughter's games the notion that you can never have too much zoom comes into play. 12x optical zoom, higher ISO and the creative possibilities that it comes with outstrides the A650IS on the outdoor query.
For all around versatility the S5 is a clear winner but indoor it is much closer and it comes down to your individual knowledge and handling. I hope I have been able to help.
You should also check into the Fujifilm S700. It is a little slower than the S5, but it is still faster than the A650, and it costs a lot less too. Although it lacks image stabilization, it has better quality at higher ISOs and in low light than either the A650 or the S5, so you can use higher shutter speeds, and still get a good shot.
S5 pictures are noisy in low lights.
and, to capture sport shots, you will need a tripod. when u zoom it, the pix become shaky.
it is the same with indoor shots too.
I too feel the Fuji S700 to be a good choice, though I own a S5.
650IS is also recalled by Canon for some picture quality issues. (in particular Serial number range)
Take enough time to choose before u put ur money in.
and the problem was not picture QUALITY!!! it was the POSSIBILITY of light leak in some models under certain conditions...
The length of a movie clip (you can have several clips on a card, but you'll have to stop between clips) can be 4GB, or about 35 minutes. If you use lower resolution and store more, the clip can't exceed 60 minutes. So basically, you're looking at 1/2 hour to 1 hour of video on a 4GB card.
What's also nice is with 2500-2700 mAh NiMH batteries you can get 300+ pictures from the camera. Shutter lag is .1 seconds when prefocused and .4 seconds when including auto-focus time. Even shot-to-shot time of 2 seconds (without flash) is pretty impressive, considering each picture is 12MP of storage, which is a lot!
No, you have nothing to worry about. Just get good strong rechargable batteries and you'll be happy with this camera.
I saw this on the specs on the B&H photo site. They were referring using the 32meg card that comes with the camera. I didn't see the small reference until after I posted this note.
I own an A80 an I LOVE the video capability, but it only does 320x240. The thing I love is I can shoot a short video of my 3 year old, 2 year old, and 2 month old with the wide lens in the A80. I know the A650 has full 640x480 video capability and the flip out screen, that's why I'm willing to upgrade now. I love my A80 and I have fantastic pictures that I have taken with it for the past 4 years. I also own a Rebel XT, but it is not an option to take the XT everywhere with the kids. The A650 hopefully will allow me to shoot great pictures and some video of things on the spot.
Do you own a A650? Do you like it? I know they were taken off the market in October. I have been watching the sites and almost no one had them for most of October. Hopefully it was just the light leak and they have that all worked out.
thanks,
Joe
You can read some pretty comprehensive user reviews here: amazon.com/review/product/B...
They're all happy with it. I'd find it hard to believe you received a grey-market camera. Just keep your receipt :)
My question is when we go online shopping centers like dell or amazon, do they give such kind of stuff?
I would try uninstalling and reinstalling the software from Canon's site. You can find it here ( usa.canon.com/consumer/cont... ). Good luck.
Andrew
You mean, I won't be using the CD installer that is included when I bought the camera and download the software from the Canon site instead?
Thanks,
Jean
A card reader is an excellent option, you will not have problems with your camera for it. You need either preserve the directories structure, or format card with the camera before use it.
I have used card readers for years. I've seen no issues with camera damage by taking them out.
Andrew
Jean
Cheers
Alison
I followed their advise of using a card reader instead, problem solved! :-)
Jean
You're going to get sharper photos with the 12MP resolution Canon A650 IS ( digitalcamera-hq.com/digita... ). You do have half the zoom capabilities though, if that makes a difference. As for low light situations, you need to look at the max aperture settings for the cameras. You get a slightly wider aperture with the Canon S5 IS ( digitalcamera-hq.com/digita... ), but not enough to make a difference. Another factor to look at is the ISO settings, as I mentioned in another answer ( digitalcamera-hq.com/digita... ) to some of your questions. If you use a higher ISO setting, you will have a more visible photo in low light, but you do increase the amount of "noise" or graininess in the photo. I would also recommend a tri-pod or mono-pod for low light settings. You will decrease the amount of camera shake even more when using these. Good luck and happy shooting.
Andrew
Do you mean, can the movie hear the clicking sound while shooting? If so, it shouldn't be that bad. Which camera were you asking about for the movie quality?
Andrew
Thank you for your answer. The A950 IS or the A650 IS, canon are the ones I am currently thinking of buying. The clicking was more audible while shooting in the 650. For both A quality pictures and movie shooting, should I go ahead with the A950 IS and ignore the clicking sound while shooting especially when and if zooming.?
I have honestly not shot movies with either of these cameras. If you want to get a demo, you might be able to go down to a Circuit City or Best Buy in your area and test the cameras on site before buying. I would recommend that to anyone buying a camera. The camera should feel comfortable in your hand, and it gives you a better idea of the features before you buy. If I heard the more audible click and zoom when shooting video, it would bother me, and I would go with the quieter camera (if I was shooting more video).
Andrew
From what I can tell in the user manual ( gdlp01.c-wss.com/gds/090000... ), you are able to use the digital zoom in movie mode (see page 224 of the user manual ( gdlp01.c-wss.com/gds/090000... )). As for the quality, I have used an older model of this camera for over 6 years, and have had no big issues with the video format. Lower light situations are harder because there is no continuous lighting function in the camera. Good luck and happy shooting.
Andrew
So my question re the rating and pic quality.
Also, can you think of a better camera for me with IS, more than 3x optical, and a flip out back? Also, I found that the Canons I've tried take great pics with flash or using the macro mode. But my favorite subject is black animals who turn their heads away at the flash and who do not benefit from the human face preferred technology. I would love a digital with the equivalent of a 1.4 lens
Would I be better off with the G7 or a Nikon or ??
In that same range, I'd point you the G9 ( digitalcamera-hq.com/digita... ). It has IS, 6x optical zoom and shoots with RAW as an option. Pretty nice and highly rated camera.
I am used to having 35mm cameras with a much larger range of f/stops, so you can get sharp pictures in many light conditions My fav lens was an f14, and f11 on the other end. None of the digitals seem to have more than a few f stops. Any affordable digitals out there with really good lenses--and the flip out back?
I looked at the G9 and would have bought it in a heartbeat BUT no flip out back. The G7 has one, I believe, but then CostCo waved the A650IS boxed with a PIXMA printer for under $350 for the pair ... and with a six-week trial period.
So the box is home, but not yet opened...while I look for more input from this great group.
Marga
I have a disability that makes holding a camera away from the body in the usual way difficult. So yes, the flip-out screen--and a viewfinder--and IS--are all important to me.
Comments from anyone else who has a camera with these features will be most appreciated.
Marga
2. The Canon A650is was the top of my list until I held it and decided it was to large for me to carry around ALL the time, and I wanted a camera to have with me constantly. The G9 fits in my small fanny pack in which I have "everything". I also really wanted a flip out LCD for overhead viewing and such. I was surprised at how well I can see the G9 LCD when held at odd angles and even overhead.
3. If you have held the 650 in your hands and it works and feels good to you and you can see what you need to see, then my recommendation is to open that box and get started taking great pictures UNLESS the f-stop factor is really that important to you in which case you are going to have to consider a larger heavier camera (DSLR) or perhaps the Canon S5is. You will have to look sharply at the S5is in regards to f-stop range and other specs as I can not speak to that but it weighs only 16 ounces which is only a little more than the G9. DSLR's will get you the speeds and f-stops you want but at the cost of increased weight.
4. I think you are needing to go to the camera store and hold some of these types of cameras and see which are physically appropriate for you and your particulars preferences.
5. As a side note, I would suggest you start getting ready to make significant adjustments to the way you shoot since you are already very used to film and manual control of such things as depth of field which is tough to do even with the S5is, A650is or G9 for technically limiting reasons not the least of which is their very small CCD's compared to the SDLR's.
Let me know if I can help further in your search and good luck.
So far no one has talked about lens performance--although I liked Larru's talking about digital vs film and depth of field. Some of my best digital pics have had beautiful soft backgrounds--but unfortunately, I haven't yet learned how to control or pick the right modes for what I want.
Or maybe people just don't do the kind of tests we used to do on a new film camera or lens. Things like taking a shot of a newspaper pinned up at set distances from the camera. Looking for lens sharpness in how well you can read the newspaper, especially at the edges of the frame, where there may be distortion
If I had world enough and time, I'd Run the same sequence through the different modes, and variants on that. In the old days, we'd magnify a print to see how well the lens image stood up. Being able to do this in the computer is great. Yes, some things are better.
I'm not so sure that face-focusing technology is one of them. I photographed my black cat's beautiful face on a gray backbround, centering on the cat and shooting in portrait mode. Without a flash, I have a black blob. With the flash, I have no cat after the first firing as the cat flees. So far the best information I have is that you can't turn off the manufacuter''s choice of what is a face, although you can turn off the flash.
In the magazines, as in these asnwers, I find almost everything is now aboutt the weight and stuff you can read on the outside of the box in the store. But very few seem to take pictures with the camera and talk about its performance.
So I'm going to take Larry's advice and hope he gets the points--and maybe that someone will still speak about the subject of picture quality or refer me to sites that focus in [lol] on that
Marga
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It is unfortunately a little soon to expect full reviews on the A650is since it was announced in August this year then recalled fairly quickly. (I think that is a good thing!) It then returned to stores around early November. Never the less, some review sites do have previews and initial opinions to help out.
dpreview.com has a nice camera specification comparison chart/database (just be careful to verify the data elsewhere before you make a decision because I have caught them in errors).
Try this review for performance opinion though not so much on the test images
digitalcamerareview.com/def...
If you have the time to wade through this one you'll learn a lot about the S5is, A650is and just about any digital camera out there
testfreaks.com/digital-came...
For a bonus site that is admittedly biased and completely maintained by one person and full of useful information for those, like me, who thought they knew enough about photography to take acceptable pictures
kenrockwell.com/
These will keep you busy for quite awhile. If you run out of something to read about digital cameras just Google on "digital camera reviews". There is a lot of data and test photos out there if you have time to dig it out.
Best wishes to you and good hunting
I didn't get to see your first post so I don't know what film camera you were using etc. Entering the world of digital can be very distressing especially going from film to digital AND from SLR to non-SLR at the same time. Is DSLR not an option for you? DSLR's have larger CCD's and are therefore able to push the f-stop from f8 on to f16 or so. f8 is the best I've seen on the non-SLR's. Also, you mentioned wanting a low end around 1.4 which can be had on DSLR's but not nonDSLR's which are typically 2.8 or even 3.5 at the wide end up to 5.6 or so at full tele.
I am convinced every person looking for a new camera needs some kind of encouragement to keep looking and digging past your first few "This is the one!" cameras. I am so very glad I did. I never would have chosen the G9 until I had "decided" on 3 previous cameras and then pushed onward to find reasons I wouldn't like each one and how I could do better. Going to the camera stores helps as does reading reviews and forums on the internet. I had to get totally overwhelmed with information and data two or three times and then work through making sense out of it all. It is ALWAYS a compromise because you have to give up something everytime you get something else whether it is cost, size, weight, speed, performance in various situations. So when you really think you are ready to make a decision on a camera then find out what that camera WON'T do that you want and see if there is one out there that will. The choices are so numerous that it takes much more time than you might think it should.
Just don't give up
The Cost=Co deal for this camera==packaged with a printer for about $350 with six weeks to try, is too good to pass up. Yet I see from your post I may well want a DSLR ASAP! But not until next year, when I have a better chance of having world enough and time.
Marga
Now back to the Costco deal. Like you said, it's too good to pass up. But you're not factoring in the cost of the ink cartridges and photo paper. That's why camera companies can offer great deals by tossing in a printer. In theory, they can make up for it with the cost of ink.
And thus the reason why only 20% of digital camera users actually print their pictures. And only a fraction of those print from home.
I'm going to try to find out if that stupid face focus and exposure nonsense happens in all the modes in the Canon cameras that have it. If so, I'll either have to get a new cat or a new camera. And I haven't time now to try to get Canon to answer, which would be the sensible thing to do.
I'm also going to explore better lenses without huge prices and camera bags. Zooms are always slower, so it is probably worth it to have a fast great lens without a zoom, if such is made in digitals with IS and adjustable viewing screens. Rather than fumbling with changing lenses as the magic moment passes, I'd rather get a shot or two--at least that's what I used to did, and my few award-winning photos were taken on the always-in-the- pocket camera because of that. So the grand or more grand camera and multiple lenses is not in my immediate picture, but in another lifetime ...
And thanks Larry for noticing the gold mine on this website. I'd missed it.
For some reason, I'm drawn to the Black Cat link. vbg
Marga The Pointless
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Though CNEt tries:
8 out of 10, The good: Great picture quality; manual exposure controls; flip-out screen.
The bad: Sluggish performance; heavy and bulky; can't use a neck strap.
The Canon A650is has the advantage of the tilt and swivel LCD. If that is essential to you photography then go for it. If the tilt and swivel LCD isn't critical, then consider the Canon G9 which has the same innards as the A650is but is faster, has a hot shoe for external flash, shoots in RAW mode and slips into a smaller space than the A650is.
To further research them, click on the "Resources" button found near the bottom right hand corner of this page.
Best wishes to you,
Larry
I have thought of the G9 as a VERY cheap way to get close to a dSLR while avoiding at least some of the dSLR disadvantages (weight, large size, significantly higher cost when you include multiple lenses. That is why I don't see it as a watershed that reaches the conclusion to go "all in" with the DSLR leap. Though I do see your point(s). I looked at the excess MP of both the A650is and the G9 and decided (not unlike memory cards nowadays) that the extra MPs were relatively cheap (at least vs a dSLR). I'm agreeing that the G9 is an expensive small digital camera, but if you get worked up to the A650is then the extra $50 is a good buy to get RAW, speed and the external shoe. One thing the manufacturers have managed to do is build a digital camera at every cost point you can name! I think I just kept climbing the ladder one rung at a time until I stopped at the G9 because the next rung was a real leap and I think the G9 will keep me busy learning everything it has to offer for quite some time plus allow me to have a sidekick if I ever do grow into the SLR category. Your questions and answers have helped me realize I did buy the right camera for me since I want to continue to learn new techniques rather than have a camera that is fine for now but won't allow me to proceed into new territory. I very much agree with you that the "G9 is overkill for most users". In this case John was already onto the A650is level and I felt that a G9 discussion was appropriate.
Thanks again for your comments. Larry
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which is great for batch processing large numbers of pictures all taken under the same basic lighting situation.
Yeah, I know RAW is slower in camera, takes time to process out of camera, etc. BUT my goal is to be able, when needed, to approximate SLR quality and abilities with small, lightweight equipment which I can have with me at all times. So far it is working and I still have a lot to learn. I'm having fun and it's not burdensome (except the post processing part which I'm leaving 'til later for right now with all the Christmas activities going on).
Thanks again to you (and Andrew, Brenda et al) for your great comments/help/answers. This forum really rocks. I'm actually helping others while learning a lot myself. Big time WIN-WIN.
Larry
In short the 650 is a great deal for its price, the price is not just right, its GREAT!
The problem appears on cameras which have a zero as the fifth digit from the left in the product's serial number (ex: xxxx0xxxxx) located on the base of the camera. Canon will repair the issue at no cost regardless of warranty status.
In addition, due to cramming 12 megapixels onto such a small chip, suffers from high noise levels and poor dynamic range above ISO 100. This is typical of high-megapixel cameras; what is gained in resolution, is made up for with lots of noise.
I came across an interesting article today about how more mega pixels is not necessarily a good thing. According to Image Engineering ( 6mpixel.org/en/? ) – a company that does testing of digital cameras for photo magazines in Germany – the quality of digital pictures has steadily decreased since the state of the art was six megapixels back in 2004. And because they don’t have a “dog in this hunt,” they put forth a compelling argument for buying new digital cameras with less mega pixels and not more.
The argument is essentially this: CCD chips on point and shoot cameras a smaller and as such, fitting in more pixels causes them to lose light sensivity. Sure, there’s more data on the chip, but the chip can’t absorb the light data and what it ends up with is a picture that has more noise than image quality. In addition, the more megapixels a camera has, the larger the lens it needs to provide the clarity it deserves and prevent diffraction due to a loss of detail with smaller apertures. But since we’re talking portable point and shoots here, those large lenses simply aren’t being made.
Finally, with larger mega pixels comes longer saving time due to their requires huge storage capacity, or more compression if not storing images in RAW format. The result is a noisier image and a dissatisfied camera user who thirsts for high quality and speed.
In the end, relying on a smaller MP that can balance all these needs may indeed be an answer as well.
I would appreciate your opinion on the Canon S5is if you have looked at it (especially comparing to the A650is).
The good: Tons of manual and automatic features; well-laid-out controls; solid body; nice LCD display.
The bad: Lens aberrations and vignetting; some processing artifacts; lacks raw file support; redesigned lens cap still pops off too easily.
The bottom line: Though it remains a good megazoom, thanks to continued image and lens artifacts, the Canon PowerShot S5 IS is slowly losing ground to competitors.
The camera has been a pleasure from day one. First in safe, amateur modes; 12 modes offer assistance in every situation from "fireworks" through to "underwater" and "Children and pets". Then in the more controllerble ones; manual Av, Tv, and a custom mode for your favourite settings. The flip screen is great because I'm clumsy and can just put it out of harm's way. I also like the in-camera editing like red eye removal, focus checks and white balance checks. I only realised how good the image stabaliser was when I switched it off(not doing that again)! We have a Canon printer so my family are starting to take A4 print outs for granted so I'm grateful for the 12 megs.
All in all I'm just an old amateur recommending this camera to the like minded. Incidentally My camera was one of those noted by Canon to be faulty( the light leak problem) and there's nothing wrong with it!
About the creativity aspect -- It's not gone. It just doesn't get mentioned in the reviews where they are trying to critique the cameras. There are lots of wild things you can do in camera such as high ISO settings to purposely create effects. Also, try the My Colors settings for fun. Out of camera and into your computer allows even more options. I read the other day about some software that allows you to simulate specific old film brands in print and slide types. Creativity isn't dead. I think it may be like in art -- the pendulum swings back and forth from realistic to abstract.
Be sure to download Picasa2 free from Google. It is easy to learn and has lots of goodies to play with including keeping your photos all organized, web album to share photos, color effects, red-eye removal tool, .... Here's the link
picasa.google.com/download/
Here's a brief summary of the advantages of using A mode (instead of Tv)
forum.digitalcamerareview.c...
Enjoy. Larry
The bottom line is more people use point and shoots to capture the moment and not experiment for the artistic creativity of photography. Being an old school shooter, that comes second nature to you and can really add "zing" to your shots. But the every day shooter just wants a clear and sharp snapshot. Which is a shame really.
Sorry for the delay...
Yes, I've checked the S5. It is a nice camera, but it is not as great as it could have been, due to Canon's extremely irresponsible quality management(on this model). Its a really beautiful camera, with top-of the-line looks,build,performance and features. At one time, it was the most appealing model to me, but only as long as I was going by the specs... Because later, the reviews revealed a completely different story...
What a model iot was, Larry! And also pretty low-priced for a model like that- it had great build, beautiful hi-res vari-angle LCD, that USM/UD 12x lens, BRILLIANT movie mode with stereo sound and OPTICAL zoom, AA battery compatible, pop-up flash, super-macro, and what not???
BUT BUT BUT, the MOST important thing was given the LEAST attention - image QUALITY!! We don't expect THIS standard of optics from Canon! Frindging was the WORST I've seen on a recent Canon model! And that UD lens was not that free from distortion either, specially at the wide angle!! I know that long zoom lenses are very much susciptable to these things, more so at the wide angle, but if that holds equally true for this also, then where's the difference between a CANON and an other brand model?? And a BIT of it would have been certainly pardonable, but there's some SERIOUS issue with the S5's optics... The lens is probably exactly the same as that of the earlier S models, and none of the previous issues have been resolved... The SX100 on the other hand, seems to have better optics...
And then Larry, NOISE!! and LOTS of it... Not much worse than the other P&S models, but even a little worsenig of something which was ALREADY pretty bad, makes it really bad, isn't it?? NR operates even at the lowest ISO levels, and there is evidence of smearing even at ISO100. These things were quite unacceptable to me... Apart from these Image-quality issues and artifacts, EVERYTHING else on the S5 is great... It could have been a MAGIC camera, a DREAM camera, but it scored the least in what counts the most... These were my thoughts Larry, but I am really a novice and DO correct me if I went wrong anywhere...
And let's see if they change the lens in the next S model... I'm realy eager to see it...
BTW Larry, I found this model, A720IS to be having a little better noise performance. And its also a very good model otherwise... Not a hi-fi model, but simple and cheap and good, I quite liked it... Check it out, if and when you get your time...I'd love to have your comments...
And for my camera, I'l probably go for the Rebel XT...
The good news is that according to recent news articles, many camera companies will be incorporating the CCD chips they use in their SLR lines (which give no shutter lag) into their point and shoot cameras. So look for it within the next few years.
Meanwhile, here's a few tips:
1. Prefocus. Hold down the shutter half way to get a prefocus of the image you're shooting. When it changes, prefocus again. This will speed up your camera's performance during picture taking since it won't have to autofocus before it shoots the shot.
2. Use faster SD cards. Yes, there are faster cards and it does make a difference in writing the image file to the card. This is especially key if you're taking multiple or burst images.
3. Fresher batteries. Use alkalines at least. But I recommend using high energy batteries designed for digital photography. Varta is a good brand. They are usually sold in camera shops, are long lasting (because they are sold in small quantities) put out alot of energy.
4. Shoot in "sports" modes when you're in situations that require action. Night or available light modes when in night time settings. These presets can help in speeding up your shots, rather than the camera taking a split second to evaluate the conditions of the lighting.
5. Go manual. If you are manually focusing, particularly in darker settings, you can constantly refocus the image as things happen. Also, the infrared does have a range and if your image is out of that range you can end up with the camera's "best guess" or infinity setting which may not help. You can also go manual on fstops and shutter speeds as well, getting more light faster when you choose.
6. Go with a shallow depth of field.
7. Pan with the action. You can create some pretty cool shots by panning with your shot, focusing on your subject. This will create the effect of your subject in sharp contrast to the blurry background.
8. Use a flash - even in day time. This will "freeze" the image and cause your subject to "pop" in the shot. However, flash is only designed for limited range and can dissipate outside of about 20-25 feet unless you're using a zoomable flash.
9. Stick with 100-400 ISO. Going higher will cause more noise/grain in your shots, particularly in darker settings.
The three cameras you listed were my three top choices as I recently researched prior to purchasing the Canon G9. I admit I really wanted the A650is for the tilt and swivel LCD, but I also wanted to carry it in my fanny pack all the time, and the A650is wouldn't fit (Maybe I should have bought a bigger fanny pack?) Unless there is something particular about the S5is that you like, I would scratch it off the list due to its VERY small CCD (even though the other two aren't THAT much larger). The pictures from the G9 are great and the A650is should be just the same since the innards are the same. The G9 does have a hot shoe for external flash unit AND takes RAW (uncompressed) pictures if either of those is important to you.
Let us know if we can be of further help.
Larry
Still, the ability to shoot RAW is an attractive feature, but only if you're doing serious photo editing. For the average user (and only 20% of those actually print their photographs) it's still overkill, IMHO.
If we have not assisted you sufficiently in your decision, perhaps you could give us some additional information to go on such as cost/budget amount, size - do you want your new camera to be even smaller than the old one? You like the vari-angle LCD - would you like to keep it? You indicate you would like to learn photography - do you want a camera that will last and you can grow with as your child grows or something for a year or two and then upgrade with something new? Let us know how we can help you. We really do enjoy help other photographers and we know how agonizing a decision it can be buying a new camera.
Larry
size of camera isn't too much of an issue. i think i could fit both cameras into my purse.
what is important is the shutter speed (thanks, james, for your tips on shooting pics!) and the quality of the pictures that come out. i was using my old camera the other day, a canon from 7 years ago, and the quality was horrific. cost isn't so much an issue, though i don't want to be paying for features i wouldn't use. so, larry, to your question, i'd love a camera i can grow with for a couple of years.
and are there other factors i ought to be considering aside from picture quality, shutter speed, and portability? thanks, gents, for hearing my questions out!
But for the point and shoot crowd, it's akin to having Nitros Oxide fuel injection on your car engine. Cool feature, but seldom - if ever - will it be used practically. IMHO.
That's not to say I don't like the G9. I surely do. But for the price, I think it's overkill as a point and shoot camera. The MP won't be noticeable unless you're making enlargements above 8x10, we've talked about RAW, etc. And for $500, you're better off considering going "all in" on a DSLR since that has no shutter lag, and will most certainly grow with you.
When you say shutter speed, I wonder if you're referring more to shutter delay or shutter lag. If you are, then unfortunately, digital point and shoot cameras still have to contend with that as it's a way of life in digital cameras. But the good news is that the delay is lessening as the technology matures. And what's interesting is, that DSLRs dont' have a lag issue at all. Or, it's nearly non existent.
The good news is that according to recent news articles, many camera companies will be incorporating the CCD chips they use in their SLR lines (which give no shutter lag) into their point and shoot cameras. So look for it within the next few years.
But all is not lost. You can lower your shutter lag by as much as 80% by making a few changes into how you take pictures. If you PREFOCUS and PAN with the action, you've won half the battle. More tips can be found in this article ( nytimes.com/2007/05/10/tech... ) from the NYT.
larry - thanks for your input as well. i've benefitted from hearing about how you chose the g9 too and your thoughts on the g9 versus the a650.
to you both - many thanks in helping a novice, really, understand the differences between the two cameras and for the shooting tips. i may be back to ask more advice on how to use the camera and taking photos... your help has been great!
Larry
Best wishes,
Larry
Considering that the A650IS and the G9 are having almost EXACTLY the same lenses and sensors, what is it that makes the difference?? I know that being a top-of-the-line model the G9 is supposed to have better build,performance,and features, but going by the specs, the two are exactly the same when it comes to the basic components... So there's supposed to be no difference between the two... So is there ACTUALLY a difference?? If yes, then what could possibly be the reason for it? I am not an expert in this area, but this is what I could make out from the specs and reviews of the two models.... That they are supposed to be having almost the same PICTURE QUALITY...
There is no difference in macro between A650IS and G9. They both can handle focussing from 0.39inch (around 1cm). Talking about superiority of G9 does not seem to have any ground.
Good shopping, Larry
This is a phenomenal deal! This camera usually sells by it self for that much or more. If I was in the market for a camera, and this one suited my needs, I'd pick that deal up right now.
Andrew
Thanks so much for responding to my question. Is 6x adequate for distant scenic shots? Do you know if this camera is relatively easy to use for someone who might not know much about taking pictures? I've heard complaints about camera noise coming through on the videos and also what has been referred to as "noise" on the photos. Do you know anything about these complaints? Also, I understand that you cannot put a neck strap on this camera....do you see that as a problem? I appreciate any advice you can share.
Chris
The 6MP should be just fine for this. You can easily print at 11x14" or even larger with the finest resolution settings without a problem. The noise through the video might come through during digital zooming when the camera adjusts. Because this is not a standard cam-corder, it isn't designed around video. As for the "noise" in the photos, this graininess comes out during higher ISO settings in any camera. While higher ISO makes the camera perform better in low light situations, the trade-off is this "noise." I use higher ISO a lot in low light and then use software, Paint Shop Pro, to reduce the noise on my computer. I've found it works pretty well. Good luck with your new camera.
Andrew
Try this URL for this very discussion on a different thread on this same website.
digitalcamera-hq.com/digita...
Happy camera hunting, Larry
I've been watching your posts regarding A650is and G9 and have been giving it some thought.
You have made a very good point regarding "identical images or not?"
Now, just for the sake of discussion, let's assume the images are identical. Does that mean ,"Buy the A650is because it is cheaper and gives you the same image"? I don't think so. I would say, "Now we have to give these two cameras a thorough evaluation of all the items which will make the difference in how we use the camera and how it works for us, individually". From that point of view I propose that these are two very different cameras such that the price difference MIGHT be worth it.
First, there is the list of function differences including RAW format; slight shutter speed difference; weight, shape and size; hotshoe; LCD differences including number of pixels, size, flip and twist; 2 white balance presets not on A650is-Flash and second custom setting; shooting modes--A650is does not have Sports scene; A650is has a limited My Colors list of abilities; G9 continuous mode is a little faster (1.5) than the A650is (1.2); G9 shoots time lapse; G9 shoots video at 1024 X 768 at 15 fps; G9 has additional Playback modes; G9 has additional erase modes; A650is takes twice as many pictures on one set of batteries; A650is runs on playback mode almost 4 times as long on one set of batteries.
All this information comparison comes straight from the Canon USA website (any errors are theirs).
Two, might be simply the way they fit in your hand and how you can operate the controls.
Three could be considering how you will carry the camera - in a case, in a pocket, on a strap, in a backpack, only occasionally or all the time.....
Four, if the built in flash on the A650is turns out to not be powerful enough you have the option of buying a slave flash that triggers off the built in flash. But that still might not be enough. OK. So you buy two slave flashes, or three! Now we are at the point of considering whether we would prefer having the G9 just so we could buy a flash with bounce capabilities etc. to maximize the potential of our camera.
Lastly, might be the possibly very serious issue of AA vs Lithium batteries. I agree with Hal S. on his posts saying we don't want to choose the camera just for the batteries, but IF everything else is judged to be equal and batteries make a difference, then we have to make a choice. I do think we have to be realistic and not just imagine scenarios which we don't really plan to happen.
And twice as many shots per set of NiMH batteries for the A650is could be really important in travel and other situations.
I think I have shown that these are two very different cameras, and that careful consideration must be given to weigh in the balance the potentially important differences for each user.
The Flip-Screen vs 3inch LCD. I originally wanted the flip screen until I saw them both side-by-side. The G9's 3inch LCD is noticeably larger and sharper and is a pleasure to look at. The best part is it can be viewed easily and clearly and sharp angles that makes up for not being a flip screen.
The Proprietary battery vs 4 AA batteries. Yes 4 AA rechargeable batteries are cheaper, last longer and if they run out you can use standard AA's, however the battery cover for the A650 is a joke. It's difficult to snap in place and feels really flimsy.
In conclusion, both cameras are great and have different features. If you are looking for a "point & shoot" for family/vacation/everyday pictures then the A650 is the one to buy because it's much cheaper and geared for the average consumer. If you are looking for a camera that's more advanced than a point & shoot yet not a DSLR or looking to improve your photographic potential then the G9 is the camera to get.
I have marked the answer "helpful" simply because it was, however, I would request you to look at the original question once... :)
But lots of thanks anyway...
-Abhi.
Sorry for the delay...
Yes, I've checked the S5. It is a nice camera, but it is not as great as it could have been, due to Canon's extremely irresponsible quality management(on this model). Its a really beautiful camera, with top-of the-line looks,build,performance and features. At one time, it was the most appealing model to me, but only as long as I was going by the specs... Because later, the reviews revealed a completely different story...
What a model iot was, Larry! And also pretty low-priced for a model like that- it had great build, beautiful hi-res vari-angle LCD, that USM/UD 12x lens, BRILLIANT movie mode with stereo sound and OPTICAL zoom, AA battery compatible, pop-up flash, super-macro, and what not???
BUT BUT BUT, the MOST important thing was given the LEAST attention - image QUALITY!! We don't expect THIS standard of optics from Canon! Frindging was the WORST I've seen on a recent Canon model! And that UD lens was not that free from distortion either, specially at the wide angle!! I know that long zoom lenses are very much susciptable to these things, more so at the wide angle, but if that holds equally true for this also, then where's the difference between a CANON and an other brand model?? And a BIT of it would have been certainly pardonable, but there's some SERIOUS issue with the S5's optics... The lens is probably exactly the same as that of the earlier S models, and none of the previous issues have been resolved... The SX100 on the other hand, seems to have better optics...
And then Larry, NOISE!! and LOTS of it... Not much worse than the other P&S models, but even a little worsenig of something which was ALREADY pretty bad, makes it really bad, isn't it?? NR operates even at the lowest ISO levels, and there is evidence of smearing even at ISO100. These things were quite unacceptable to me... Apart from these Image-quality issues and artifacts, EVERYTHING else on the S5 is great... It could have been a MAGIC camera, a DREAM camera, but it scored the least in what counts the most... These were my thoughts Larry, but I am really a novice and DO correct me if I went wrong anywhere...
And let's see if they change the lens in the next S model... I'm realy eager to see it...
BTW Larry, I found this model, A720IS to be having a little better noise performance. And its also a very good model otherwise... Not a hi-fi model, but simple and cheap and good, I quite liked it... Check it out, if and when you get your time...I'd love to have your comments...
And for my camera, I'l probably go for the Rebel XT...
Take a look at his answers, and if you have any other questions, or want a 2nd opinion, feel free to ask.
I have this question, request you to enlighten me on this topic... more megapixels packed into the same sized sensor reduces quality, due to a weaker signal and more noise... in this regard, will switching to a smaller picture size(by the user,from the settings menu) help to improve the picture quality?? will it enable the user to extract better quality pictures from the same sensor?? awaiting your reply... thanks...
Some cameras have written into their firmware a process called "binning," which merges the signals of multiple pixels to make larger pixels. Usually at a 4-1 ration. This will essentially turn a 12-megapixel camera into a 3-megapixel camera. And that gives you the opposite problem of too many pixels on the chip ... you now have too few and as such, will run into artifacting instead of noise.
The A650is has image stabilization which means an extra 2 stops of light without blurring the image. That can be very useful in marginal light conditions or when using full zoom.
Neither of them has very good flash recovery 4-6 seconds typical with fully charged batteries.
A650is has 173,000 pixels on its 2.5" LCD vs only 115,000 pixels on the A630 with its 2.5" LCD.
The A630 does win in the continuous mode with 1.8 frames per second vs 1.2fps for the A650is.
Summary: The A650is wins unless you value the higher continuous shot mode rate above everything else.
Extra: If you want even more zoom, look at the S5is though it is heavier and larger, and it has a smaller CCD.
I am known for framing and taking good pictures with my EOS film camera (extensively using the zoom). This will be my first digital. My two big questions--(1) does the megapixel amount really matter for someone like myself who is basically a frame and shoot photographer who has no visions of greatness, but merely would like to be able to send some of my pictures to friends/relatives through the computer? [That is one reason the zoom capability of the A650 is attractive to me.] (2) Size is a second issue. I know that I do not want a DSLR. The idea of a small digital camera with flash that I can stick in my pocket or easily in my backpack is VERY attractive to me. Although the A650 is smaller than the DSLRs I saw, it is bigger than the smaller, more pocket-size like digitals I have seen (i.e., the Canon PowerShot SD1000--7.1 megapixels and 3x optical zoom). Is there a small camera with enough zoom capability and megapixels that you would recommend for a picture-taker like me or is the A650 really a good compromise for my desires/needs? Thanks.
2). The A650is really isn't a pocketable camera, IMHO, but it is small enough for a jacket pocket. If you have the money readily available, I would recommend the Canon G9 as fitting your needs nicely. I carry my G9 everywhere I go and I mean all the time. If the money isn't available, then you could look for a G7 which would still be great for your purposes. Because it's one model year behind you might be able to find one considerably under retail. Otherwise, the A650is would be my next choice. If you want even more zoom, the SX100is goes up to 10X zoom (vs 6X for the other two), but is even larger than the A650is. The S5is is definitely larger and heavier with a 12X zoom. Going smaller in size, Canon's ultracompact line is the SDxxx models. From those you could investigate the SD850is which has a 4X zoom and a viewfinder. I found the SD1000 to be so very small I couldn't get comfortable even holding it, but it might be OK for your hand. As you pointed out, it is only 3X. Since the SD850is is plenty small for a pocket, might as well get the most zoom you can and with a viewfinder thrown in for good measure since you are used to having a viewfinder on your EOS.
Summary: Let's say we narrow it down to the G7/9, A650is and SD850is and you go test/hold them at the store.
PS I almost forgot to emphasize the flip and twist LCD on the A650is. If you are in a crowd and want to shoot over the head of the people in front of you, that device allows you to hold the camera straight up and still frame the picture in the LCD. Also, used for low to the ground shots of flowers and bugs. Those may not be of concern to you.
Lots of helpful information. I will look at the G7 and G9. Thanks for all of your assistance. This is the first time I have ever done something like this, and I am VERY pleased with all of the info you have provided.
Darrin
The main differences are in megapixels and in the LCD monitor.
The 720 is, however, cheaper and simpler, though both the models have similar auto modes and are thus equally "easy-to-use"...
And in case u are willing to try other companies, you'll get some models in Sony which are much simpler to use, compact, and provide better specs. However, if you are strict about the picture QUALITY, those should fall far behind of a Canon(or Nikon).
I would also personally suggest you to look at another Canon model- the S5IS, which is a long zoom model and has got excellent build and features.It also delivers better performacce, but is a bit bulkier and heavier...It has also got some minor issues with image quality(fringing,noise).These are neglegible compared to other brands, but are somehow a bit worse than other comparable canon models...
this range has special modes to help you achive the effects you require.
my suggestion is the very good lz7 which is very keenly priced at the moment.
here is a link to a close up of a pet taken witha fz7
flickr.com/photos/mobjazz/4...
If you are not planning to quite rough-handle it, and if you are not expecting miracles from a P&S camera(mainly in low light), then you are going to be satisfied by this one... Its features surely make it really handy and useful, at least for regular and amateur photography... If you are looking for extreme creative options(for the advanced user...), better build, slightly better performance, and more portability, u can go for G9, which is also an excellent model(costing about $125 more though...), but image quality is the same for both(and that's top-notch photo quality for a P&S). U can very well use this for close-ups, macros, and zooms... And this will fulfill ur desire for most PRACTICAL purposes, unless you are want to take photos of REALLY distant objects, for which the 6x zoom won't suffice... Pet photos turn out exceptionally well for the 650(also the G9) with LOTS of fine details(animal fur...)
Another nice model is the A720IS, which is well built, lighter, and offers good quality... The resolution is lower(8MP), but so is the price(around $190),and it will satisfy all your needs for basic day-to-day shooting, unless u are really fond of detail...
For lessons on photography and focusing, u'll get plenty of materials over the net... Its easy to get, easy to learn, and easy to put into practice...
But for this effect that u have mentioned here, u just need to use a bigger aperture. That's it, Its THAT simple!
This amount of blurring of the surroundings with reference to the subject(the point of focus) is controlled by varying the "depth of field". I can explain "depth-of-field" in detail, but u won't be needing that knowledge simply to get ur desired result... and if you are eager to know, that's very good and u'l get simple lessons on almost any site, even Wikipedia...
The basic point is that increasing the aperture(decreasing the f/ number) decreases the "depth-of-field", and thus blurrs the background more thereby putting more importance on the subject by removing a distracting background...
These new Canon cameras provide you with ALL possible manual controls for getting that perfect shot, and what's good is that it doesn't come at the cost of picture QUALITY...
Hope it helps...
-Abhi.
Thanks Abhi! You were really helpful, I compared both but as a beginner souldn't justify the G9.
Ordered my A650 today :) Can't wait to get started!
Also, found some great photography courses and advice on the net! thanks for that tip :D
xx
One advice, learn to play with the easy manual controls quickly, and it will help you trick the problems of a P&S camera(MAINLY noise, also shutter lag...)
As I said, there are a lot of helpful knowledgeable people on the net, sharing their so precious knowledge and experiences with us without gaining any personal benefit from it... and beginners like us really do benifit from their kindness...
And one request, after you use this model thoroughly for quite some time, please give me your personal feedback about it on this post... Thanks in anticipation...
-Abhi.
What you should be asking is, will I be making more than just the occasional poster size? If so, then I'd be looking for a DSLR.
Ashok
OK well being the political season maybe I did put a little spin on that, but it is a really nice camera.
I particularly like that it will zoom while making video which most digitals won't do.
Bye the bye, just how large are your pockets, anyway?
I like the functionality of the Canon A650 ( digitalcamera-hq.com/digita... ) better. It has manual exposure controls, twice the optical zoom, and it costs a lot less. While it is a little bigger, it seems more versatile.
Andrew
I'm glad we could help. If you feel we have answered your answer sufficiently, please mark best answer. If not, I would be glad to answer any other questions you might have. Good luck and happy shooting.
Andrew
HOPING I COULD GET MORE VIDEO TIME ON THE CANON A650
ctfixer@VERIZON.NET
This is what canon say about movie clip length for the A650IS
Movie
Shoot in VGA (640 x 480 at 30 fps/30 fps LP), QVGA (320 x 240 at 30 fps) for up to 1 hour or 4GB), or QQVGA (160 x 120 at 15 fps) for up to 3 minutes.
The Canon S5, however, does zoom during video capture I believe.
Let me explain. I came across an interesting article today about how more mega pixels is not necessarily a good thing. According to Image Engineering ( 6mpixel.org/en/? ) – a company that does testing of digital cameras for photo magazines in Germany – the quality of digital pictures has steadily decreased since the state of the art was six megapixels back in 2004. And because they don’t have a “dog in this hunt,” they put forth a compelling argument for buying new digital cameras with less mega pixels and not more.
The argument is essentially this: CCD chips on point and shoot cameras a smaller and as such, fitting in more pixels causes them to lose light sensivity. Sure, there’s more data on the chip, but the chip can’t absorb the light data and what it ends up with is a picture that has more noise than image quality. In addition, the more megapixels a camera has, the larger the lens it needs to provide the clarity it deserves and prevent diffraction due to a loss of detail with smaller apertures. But since we’re talking portable point and shoots here, those large lenses simply aren’t being made.
Finally, with larger mega pixels comes longer saving time due to their requires huge storage capacity, or more compression if not storing images in RAW format. The result is a noisier image and a dissatisfied camera user who thirsts for high quality and speed but fell into the trap of "more must mean better."
In the end, relying on a smaller MP that can balance all these needs may indeed be a better answer.
1) It is hard to go wrong with the G9. It's rugged and versatile. Plus the waterproof housing is available.
2) As far as being an amateur -- All three cameras have Auto settings which makes them function as Point and Shoot cameras.
3) All three also have manual control options so you can begin to learn more about photography as you have time and interest.
4) G9 uses proprietary Lithium-ion battery which is more expensive than NiMH AA's for the other two cameras.
5) G9 has faster flash recharge times
6) I don't like the tripod connection location on the A720. It is way over to the side instead of the center.
7) 7MP is enough to make an 8 X 10 inch print so if you have 12MP, you can crop significantly and still print 8 X 10. MP are useful for being able to crop and make large prints. 12 is nice for the very reason you stated.
8) Higher MP number has the downside of reducing sensitivity making low light conditions a problem requiring higher ISO to compensate.
9) What model Canon did you "currently" have? Anything you particularly liked or disliked about it?
10) Do you have a maximum budget set?
11) All of these cameras can use the slave type flash which triggers off the main built in flash of the camera. The advantage of the hot shoe on the G9 is the ability to automatically adjust the flash based on focus distance as well as controlling the flash manually.
12) I don't know what you mean when you say the 650 only uses Vista. You can always use a card reader and transfer images via USB ports.
13) IMHO, all three cameras are proportionally as good as their cost. So you really get what you pay for. I have the G9 and really enjoy it.
The extra megapixels on the A650is does increase the noise problem but not as much as you would expect by comparing only the MP count since the CCD on the A650is is a little larger to allow the increased MP count. The S3 does not allow you to zoom during video which the S5is does but the A650is does NOT. The S3 should give you better indoor non-flash pictures.
Regarding the zoom during video aspect -- I have a G9 which does not allow zooming during video. It is very frustrating when filming my grandchildren as they are quite active. Plus even when taking video of something on the stage at their school it helps to be able to zoom. I have to stop the video, change the zoom and restart again. Not good. The S5is solves this problem completely and takes stereo sound recording too. The other big difference is the weight -- 10 oz (A650is) versus 19.4 oz makes the S5is quite a bit heavier to carry around all day.
IMHO, Canon does it the best. I've tried other brands and always end up coming back to Canon.
With that said, Canon makes some really great cameras and both the models you mentioned take very good pictures. The A650 is much better than the sx100 but it is also larger and heavier.
The prices you mentioned in rupees are much more than what we pay here in the US (20k is about $500 and 17k is about $425) both are overpriced by US standards but the Sx100 is MUCH more overpriced because it can be bought here for about $207.
The biggest problems with the A650 is that it has rather sluggish performance. It takes the camera longer to process the 12 megapixel photo so the camera will be slower than the tx100. The tx100 takes a long time to recharge its flash so it takes much longer while shooting night time photos.
You may want to look at the Canon S5 which is much better than both of these cameras and should have a price in between the 2.
Hope this helps
Problem is that India still has a large duty on most goods brought through legetimate means (sometimes even 100% duty). There are some e-shopping services that ship worldwide but the problem is that you probably will still have to pay the duty and if you are very unlucky then you might not even receive your camera (the customs agents tend to be very corrupt sometimes). If you still want to take your chances I think Buydig.com was a very decent site with low prices (you may want to recheck if they allow international shipments). Another option would be to find a friend or relative who happens to be travelling to Singapore or Malaysia and see if they could buy one for you since cameras are much cheaper in those countries).
I also forgot to mention that the Panasonic TZ3 is a very good camera that is smaller in size than the others mentioned but takes excellent photos. It has a 10x zoom and the biggest advantage is that it has a 28mm wide angle lens so you can take much wider photos. You may want to check if that might be a lower price in India.
Best of Luck
the build quality of the camera.
the ease of use of the camera.
the type of image processing soft ware it has.
my choice given these criteria.
is the panasonic tz5.
Both the TZ5 and A650is are good cameras, and your choice should depend on what you will be using it for. Most of the compact digitals are going to have some lag due to the auto focus feature. This lag will be small in natural sun light but greater inside under low light. Usually the more pixels the more lag.
The pixel count will not necessarily give you better pictures. If this is your first digital camera it might be worth while to look at the PowerShot A720. It costs less than the A650 and the picture quality is excellent.
You can go to this site and compare picture quality of many brands of cameras. imaging-resource.com/IMCOMP... Unfortunately the TZ5 is not one of the selections.
After you select the cameras scroll down to the pictures "still-life 200" and click on the image a couple of times to enlarge the photograph and you can compare the results.
I am looking at getting an 8 gig and not sure if it will work or not.
Thanks
No need to lose the moment because you relied on one card one when several can solve that problem. At the very least, you want to get more than one of whatever size you settle on.
One last thing. Cards have different speeds. The faster a card is, the quicker it'll save the photo and cycle to be ready for another shot. In the end, your camera is only going to be as fast as it's slowest link in the chain. So check for speed when you purchase a card. If you're going to pay more for your cards, why not go with faster cards, rather than larger ones.
We did some video of my brother in-laws game, and we loved the quality.
I am the paprazzi of the family.
So I have a 4g, 2g, and 3 1g cards already.
We were looking at the bigger cards more for video versus pictures.
I really like my sandisk ultra II card, because I can flip it and it becomes usb compatibly.
Unfortunately, they do not make them anymore, and they only had them in 1g size.
Thanks again for the info.
Ramona
Frankly, I think it's a horse race. Both give sharp images (though I give the A650 a slight edge). nice color. The A650 has a much better macro.
The argument is essentially this: CCD chips on point and shoot cameras a smaller and as such, fitting in more pixels causes them to lose light sensivity. Sure, there’s more data on the chip, but the chip can’t absorb the light data and what it ends up with is a picture that has more noise than image quality. In addition, the more megapixels a camera has, the larger the lens it needs to provide the clarity it deserves and prevent diffraction due to a loss of detail with smaller apertures. But since we’re talking portable point and shoots here, those large lenses simply aren’t being made.
Finally, with larger mega pixels comes longer saving time due to their requires huge storage capacity, or more compression if not storing images in RAW format. The result is a noisier image and a dissatisfied camera user who thirsts for high quality and speed but fell into the trap of "more must mean better."
In the end, relying on a smaller MP that can balance all these needs may indeed be a better answer.
The argument is essentially this: CCD chips on point and shoot cameras a smaller and as such, fitting in more pixels causes them to lose light sensivity. Sure, there’s more data on the chip, but the chip can’t absorb the light data and what it ends up with is a picture that has more noise than image quality. In addition, the more megapixels a camera has, the larger the lens it needs to provide the clarity it deserves and prevent diffraction due to a loss of detail with smaller apertures. But since we’re talking portable point and shoots here, those large lenses simply aren’t being made.
Finally, with larger mega pixels comes longer saving time due to their requires huge storage capacity, or more compression if not storing images in RAW format. The result is a noisier image and a dissatisfied camera user who thirsts for high quality and speed but fell into the trap of "more must mean better."
In the end, relying on a smaller MP that can balance all these needs may indeed be a better answer. More MP isn't necessarily better.
I am glad not to be helpful, becouse you need to decide yourself
The biggest concern about the A650 is the weight. I want it all...
Thanks,
Sheeba
Now I know what you're saying ... I want 12 megapixels. My question is ... why? You won't even see the difference between 6 and 12 MP until you reach sizes over 11x14. For picture quality, I think there's too much MP here to work with. Let me explain. I came across an interesting article today about how more mega pixels is not necessarily a good thing. According to Image Engineering ( 6mpixel.org/en/? ) – a company that does testing of digital cameras for photo magazines in Germany – the quality of digital pictures has steadily decreased since the state of the art was six megapixels back in 2004. And because they don’t have a “dog in this hunt,” they put forth a compelling argument for buying new digital cameras with less mega pixels and not more.
The argument is essentially this: CCD chips on point and shoot cameras a smaller and as such, fitting in more pixels causes them to lose light sensivity. Sure, there’s more data on the chip, but the chip can’t absorb the light data and what it ends up with is a picture that has more noise than image quality. In addition, the more megapixels a camera has, the larger the lens it needs to provide the clarity it deserves and prevent diffraction due to a loss of detail with smaller apertures. But since we’re talking portable point and shoots here, those large lenses simply aren’t being made.
Finally, with larger mega pixels comes longer saving time due to their requires huge storage capacity, or more compression if not storing images in RAW format. The result is a noisier image and a dissatisfied camera user who thirsts for high quality and speed but fell into the trap of "more must mean better."
In the end, relying on a smaller MP that can balance all these needs may indeed be a better answer.
Sheeba
I'm looking for the one which has optical view finder; manual setting; high optical zoom (min. 6x); better picture in low light; less noise at higher iso; good dynamic range, color reproduction, and also long exposure; and picture which is great in details.
Any recommendations from other brands which has similar features i expected are welcomed..Thanks
For what you're looking to do, you'd be much better off, IMHO.
Any suggestions what I can do so that I don't have to spend that much money and still get as good a results.
Intraoral pics are very difficult.
Some cameras have written into their firmware a process called "binning," which merges the signals of multiple pixels to make larger pixels. Usually at a 4-1 ration. This will essentially turn a 12-megapixel camera into a 3-megapixel camera. And that gives you the opposite problem of too many pixels on the chip ... you now have too few and as such, will run into artifacting instead of noise.
In computer -- download Picasa3 FREE from Google and use to organize photos and resize as well as adjust exposure, etc.
I was :-) but im not an expert aand wasn't sure if the size was a problem with everything getting smaller, they put the same 12mp sensor in a canon camera half the size off the 650 so I was just wondering. If I got a SLR what would be the best mid range brand aa nikon or canon??
I have it on the lowest of all settings, and don't replay the pics to save batteries. I also don't use the camera to down load to the computer.
Rob
It also needs to recharge the batteries every night if on a vacation as the battery life is like my previous 3 not very long lasting.......
The macro function works better than my earlier models and a tripod is needed for good shots!
Please advice!
Luis
Please advice!
Luis
A wonderful current Canon would be the SX10IS with Tilt and Swivel LCD and 20X optical zoom (Really!) AA X 4 batteries. Check it out. It is larger and heavier than the A650is due to the 20X zoom.
One small potential disadvantage I see to the A650IS is that since it is discontinued Canon will stop supporting it sooner than they will the SX10IS which is still in production. A minor difference.
Luis
Unfortunately, I am unable to find any currently available small digital cameras with twist and flip LCD!!!!
I have been researching also and I think I will wait for Canon new releases, in the meantime I dont want to lose any more pictures from my new born baby so I think I will go for a Canon A720 or maybe a Canon A590 which has very good reviews and an excellent price...
Lets hope Canon will release a A660 or something like that in thenear future!!!
Best regards,
Luis
Unfortunately, the A650 isn't a part of the faulty CCD recall. But if you suspect a faulty CCD, send it in to Canon and see what they say. If faulty, they could replace it. But they may also charge you for a failed CCD since the camera is out of warranty.
1) Since, the Canon Powershot A650IS, replaced the A640. What Model Number is going to replace the
A650IS, now that the A650IS is discontinued and not being made anymore?
2) Is the next generation Model Number with the "Vari-Angle Viewfinder" still going to be made or not?
3) Will Canon fix all of the bad kinx, that was reported with the A650IS camera; like the light/flash
leack, the card placement at the bottom of the camera, will Canon come out with a 12x Optical Zoom
and still maintain the 12.1 megapixel or more megapixels than the 12.1.
4) Canon really needs to continue with the "Vari-Angle 2.5" LCD Viewfind, that is such a selling point.
That is why I want so bad. To use it for self-portrits. Because, you see, wife is PINK
SURVIVOR/WARRIOR. We can take pictures of the two of us, instead of asking poeple to take our
picture for us everywhere we go.
5) Does anyone know where I can buy a New A650IS at great low price, or should I wait for the next
Model Number to come out? If there is going to be a next Model Number made after the A650IS.
6) I also found out, that if we the consumers, contact Canon and voice all of our opinions and options
To tell Canon to continue including the Var-Angle LCD Viewfinder in the next generation Model
Numders. And to include, for example: main features from the Canon Powershot SX200IS and the
Panasonic Lumix DMC-ZS3.
Everyone- PLEASE RESPOND to the above questions. Need help. Thank you. Mike73