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Canon Powershot G9
Editor's Review
The Canon G9, with its wonderful 3.0-inch screen, 6x optical zoom, and 12.1 megapixel sensor has since been replaced by the G11. With a 28-140mm 5x zoom and 10 megapixel sensor, Canon has responded to the cries for better high ISO and produced what is probably the best of the G-series.
Editor's Review
The Canon G9, with its wonderful 3.0-inch screen, 6x optical zoom, and 12.1 megapixel sensor has since been replaced by the G11. With a 28-140mm 5x zoom and 10 megapixel sensor, Canon has responded to the cries for better high ISO and produced what is probably the best of the G-series.
Specifications
- 12.1 megapixels
- Movie mode with sound (max 4GB/1 Hour)
- JPEG, RAW file formats
- 6x optical zoom / 4x digital zoom
- Lens-shift image stabilization
- Auto and manual focus
- Auto and manual exposure
- ISO 80-1600
- 3.0-inch LCD display
- Secure Digital memory storage (32MB card included)
- Lithium-ion battery
- Part Number: POWERSHOTG9
- UPC: 013803083675
- Release Date: Aug 31, 2007
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Canon Powershot G9 Comments & Questions (write your own!)
If you are using the original Canon battery which came with the camera, it may well be "worn out" and unable to really hold a full charge in terms of ampere hours. The voltage will be adequate which means the battery indicator will show it to be full, but there won't really be any power behind those volts. If resetting did not solve problem, the next thing to do is buy a new Canon battery (I know they are not cheap!), charge it fully, and try again to get the camera to work. Alternatively, if you can find someone who owns a G9, you could try their battery in your camera.
Let me know results.
But use this rule of thumb ... if the estimate for repair is north of 50% what you paid for it, you're better off taking that money and buying a newer and upgraded model.
- The available Special Scene modes will display at the top right corner of the LCD monitor. Once you select the mode you wish to use, press the <FUNC./SET> button or pause on the selection and the camera will automatically select the option you stopped at.
Let me know if that fixes it.
Eweald
Before you go shopping for a new camera you might want to try "Photoshopping" your current camera images and see what results you can get. Once you get used to the alterations which best fit your cameras images, you can quickly "fix" them the way you want them to be.
Thanks for the reminder. When you get to this level of sophistication in digital photography, it gets increasingly "maddening" as you put it. :)
Ewald
To me it was very confusing(iso,shutterspeed,all the other things on there that I have NOT A CLUE how to use
I was worried I would never use ,or figure out how to use all the stuff on there. So, I came home empty handed.
I will be using the camera for Motorcross,ATVs,and everything else.
Would like fast start-up and fast pic's (my camera takes forever to get a pic to snap),a decent zoom ,and fit in the pocket.Would also be nice to have a camera that will take 4-5 pics in a row.
Any help would be great,because My eyes are crossed and my mind has frozen up on me.
Locally I have found the G10 at$499
and aG9 for$419
I didnt think $90 cheaper was a good deal,what do you think?
Of course, it could also be a typo.
Any suggestions?
I think in the long run, you're going to be unhappy with a one size, fits all solution. (Exception, the Canon 5d Mk. II shoots stills at 21MP, and full frame 1080p HD video that looks amazing. But too expensive at this point $3,000 with lens).
Also, the full telephoto setting of the camera is likely out of the range of the macro. I believe the macro is set to work under 0-10 zoom steps and the lens zooms out 13 steps, or something to that effect. So if you are fully zoomed then the macro may not be able to function.
I use PaintShop Pro ( corel.com/servlet/Satellite... ) for image editing. It supports Canon RAW image formats and will convert images to PNG.
Andrew
I suspect Hal5141 does not own a G9 personally.
I just bought a G9 and I can say "NO" the G9 is by no means perfect for night shots--it has (among many) 2 scene modes for nighttime shooting, and if you are a Point-n-shoot photographer, these may be what you are looking for, and perhaps the G9 outperforms other P&S camera--don't know. But if you are looking for quality exposures and creative abilities using the G9 at night, forget it--buy a good DSLR.
Two things really make the G9 a poor choice for nighttime shooting: 1) maximum shutter time is 15 seconds (no bulb setting), 2) the image quality is only maintained to a max ISO of 200--beyond that details begin to muddy.
Another major disappointment with the G9 is no remote shutter activation feature.
Don't get me wrong here because I own a G9 and really enjoy it. There is still not any other camera out there that I would buy to replace it YET.
I have used the G9 for almost a year now, and before that the Canon sure shot 30, I have found that the G9 offers more than most digital p&s (this statement has been echoed enough times) having just completed a short course on Digital and SLR Photography there were 15 people (I was the only one is the class with the G9) all the othes had DSLR during the course the instructor kept talking about features on the SLR and saying your camera probably wont have this feature. I must say, that at the end of the 5 week course; the instructor was quite blown away with the G9's overall capability. One "night shot" workshop he advised as follows: Instead of using the standard JPG format, if you have a large enough memory card, use the RAW image file format. (the G9 will do that), then setting the programs to use either P, AV, or M which gives you greater versatility and control of the camera in other words takes it out of the P& S category for a moment and by using the function button to select either t the f stop and the shutter speed The G9 will allow you to look through the LCD and when switching between the shutter speed and the F-stop you can get a different appreciation of what you are about to shoot. You can also increase or decrease the exposure settings to + or minus @ one thirds settings this action will let you get an appreciation of the different results the photo will give of the image you are about to capture. This was for me, (a night shoot novice), a very helpful tool. Setting the ISO at 200 and then setting the timer delayed settings to 2 or 3 sec delay; I took a series of shots I was amazed at how well the G9 took the shots. I continued to take shots, changing the + - ratios and I went up to an IS0 800 the results were still good however, as already mentioned; considerable noise was evident. I was able to increase ISO to 400 with no noticeable noise. All these shots were taken using a stable base i.e Tripod
I had never used the RAW settings before, but saw quite a difference between using a high compression JPG format. Of course, using the RAW setting is not good for those that only have a limited memory card, but a 4 gig card is not too expensive these days and the end result is magic. An added bonus of using the raw settings is that Photoshop can do amazing things with the RAW image formats.
I really reccommend that those persons that are G9 users really get to know the finer points of the Camaerafrom he "Users hand book"; If you are a point and shoot type person that wants to do more on occassions; the Camera has so much more to offer other than Point and Shoot advantages.
ThaiItAgain
The argument is essentially this: CCD chips on point and shoot cameras a smaller and as such, fitting in more pixels causes them to lose light sensivity. Sure, there’s more data on the chip, but the chip can’t absorb the light data and what it ends up with is a picture that has more noise than image quality. In addition, the more megapixels a camera has, the larger the lens it needs to provide the clarity it deserves and prevent diffraction due to a loss of detail with smaller apertures. But since we’re talking portable point and shoots here, those large lenses simply aren’t being made.
Finally, with larger mega pixels comes longer saving time due to their requires huge storage capacity, or more compression if not storing images in RAW format. The result is a noisier image and a dissatisfied camera user who thirsts for high quality and speed but fell into the trap of "more must mean better."
In the end, relying on a smaller MP that can balance all these needs may indeed be a better answer.
Maybe it will help someone else in the future!!!
Another option may be to try a program called TMPENG. You can actually add letterboxing to it. That could help you.
anyway i got a few questions .hope some one out there can help me.
1. are u sure u cant compress pics taken to get more space on the card , im sure i read it in one of the reviews .. maybe i was wrong .somehitng called image resizefunction .
2 is stich assist the same as panorama?
3.can u apply my colors effect to saved pics ? recently took some on my nikon and the colors were too vibrant , cant dial down now .
4. does the image stabilzin really work on ur G9... dunno if i read it wrong but i went to dpreview as u advised and the S5is seems to fare better in the IS area compared to the G9
5. this thing called ISAPS does the G9 have it and does it work ... actaully waht does it do ?
6. hows the flash recharging on the G9 ....im a big fan of the nikon brand as u are of the canon ..... and my only complaint with m E4600 is that the flash recharging takes wayyyyyyyyy too long ,anywhere between 5- 30 seconds depending on light and battery ........ its the only thing that drove me crazy .but then again thats an old camera .
7. can u tell me the type of cards compaltible with the G9 ....... and the max capacity complatible .. SD is 1 gb right ? what abt the rest ?
8. whats the histogram used 4 , do u use it to make ur shots betteror something ? and if so how ? .......... this is way more complicated than what i own at the moment . can u explain or direct me to someplce that will explain it to me in laylmen terms ?
9. do u know any site i can go to for tips , i checkd out the pics on dpreview . they were awsome . very SLRish ... but i checkd out the pics for sx100is, s5is, a720is , 650is .............and they all lookd great . guess it has to do more with the person behind the camera too.
10. i know i keep asking this quetion ......... i still dont get what the differnce between the above mentiond models and the G9 is . other than pixels , zoom , raw, lcdsize and battery type and price.....IS THAT THE ONLY DIFFENCE BETWEEN THESE 5 MODELS ? or am i missing out on something ? more of the comparison chart i go to are empty in many coloums ........so i dont get a real i dea of what is basically difrent between thse models .
11. if u were gonna buy an SLR whud u go for a nikon or a canon , and why wud u go for it ?
some one out ther plz help me
thanks , do reply . tc
ann
I see you've come up with some very inclusive questions. I will attempt to answer them in order:
1. You can change the compression of the images, but it will effectively lower the resolution quality at the same time. You can also change the recording pixels while maintaining a higher quality. Either method reduces the size of prints you will get from the photo, but will save room on your memory card.
2. Stitch assist will effectively give you a panoramic shot by "stitching" the images together on their sides digitally into a wider image.
3. You can not adjust the colors after shooting on the camera, but there is a "My Colors" shooting mode where you can adjust the settings for colors (preset and manual settings) and see them on the LCD before shooting.
4. The image stabilization on the Canon S5 IS ( digitalcamera-hq.com/digita... ) is the same technology built into the G9 ( digitalcamera-hq.com/digita... ). The both should work about the same.
5. iSAPS is a Canon technology developed to quicken the autofocus through faster algorithms for determining exposure and white balance settings as well as the focal distance of the most likely subject. You can see a write-up of the technology here ( canon.com/technology/canon_... ). As for the G9 ( digitalcamera-hq.com/digita... ) having the technology, it does. It is listed in the camera's press release ( usa.canon.com/templatedata/... ) from August, 2007.
6. Flash recharge is dependent on a few different factors: how often you use it, how recently you used it, what distance your subject is from the flash (if more flash is needed) and how much power is left on your battery. The more you use the flash, the longer it will take to charge. If your batteries are low, then it will take longer to charge the flash back up too. A mounted flash will charge faster, but can run you well over $100. Either way, you can set the output level of the flash to sync with your photos at different times and possibly save on re-charge time. As a side note, you can get an external battery with more power for an external flash that makes it synch much faster. Average flash recharge time is not listed in the camera's manual.
7. This camera actually works with SD and SDHC cards. SD cards will go up to 2GB while a SDHC (high capacity) card will go up to 8GB. I would recommend getting the larger card if it works in your budget. I would also get one that is a level 2 or 3 write speed. With the 12MP resolution of the camera, a faster write speed will allow you to move to your next photo faster.
8. The histogram really is for more advanced users of the camera. The histogram graphically displays the brightness of the image photographed. If the bars are higher on the left, it is a darker picture. Conversely, if they are higher on the right, the photo is generally brighter. A balanced image will be about even all the way across.
9. You can always come to this site for tips on not only pruchasing cameras and troubleshooting, but for use as well. We will be more than happy to assist you in any way in the use of your camera.
10. What 5 models are you referencing in comparison? I can better answer this portion of your question if you list them out.
11. Personally, I love my Canons (I have 2 Canon SLR bodies). I purchased them originally because of the user interfaces. I find they are more user friendly than the Nikons. I also now own Canon SLR lenses that do not work on Nikons, so I don't want to start from scratch. I would much rather add to my collection. As for your personal choice, I would recommend going into a camera retailer like Penn Camera, Ritz, or Wolf to hold and test the cameras. Most specialty retailers like this allow their clients to hold and test the cameras to get a feel for them. This will let you see what you like better in your hands. If you feel comfortable with the camera in your hands, you're going to take better pictures. Both companies make excellent cameras and lenses.
All in all, you've asked some excellent questions, and I hope I've helped you in some way. Good luck in your search.
Andrew
10. i know i keep asking this quetion ......... i still dont get what the differnce between the above mentiond models and the G9 is . other than pixels , zoom , raw, lcdsize and battery type and price.....IS THAT THE ONLY DIFFENCE BETWEEN THESE 5 MODELS ? or am i missing out on something ? more of the comparison chart i go to are empty in many coloums ........so i dont get a real i dea of what is basically difrent between thse models
the five models i meant were 720is , 650is , sx100is , s5is , g9
ur answere really helpd me to undertsnad the camera better
i just check the release dates of the previous models . its seems that its abt time for canon to release a newer version of the G9 .......do u ahve any idea , coz if it does i'll like to wait and see what thats like before getting the G9 ..... most likely it will be better right ............... i dont want to buy this and then one week later see the latest being released .
also can u tell me where ecxcatly i shud go in this site to read abt how to make the most of the G9 .. im an amature but i love taking pics ..
ann
i just guess im a lil wary . im a die hard nikon fan ..... the one i have , tho its obselete and all now, IS AMAZINGGGG .......
I dislike sony cams.esp.P&S one , and im yet to see a PROFERSSIONAL photgrager with a SONY DSLR in his hands out here ..........
I think canon pics i ahve seen of my friends r good . just as i dont have one i a lil wary tis y i keep asking all the questions .mixed reviews dont help . i just dont want to end up with a cam im not happy with . coz im veryy happy with my nikon .
neway thanks
To build upon what Hal said above, Canon comes out with new cameras once or twice a year. If you wait, something with more features that costs more will come out soon, but that next model is just around the corner, so why not wait for it? You could get caught in a vicious cycle.
As for the comparison between your five listed cameras, what you've listed can be a huge difference between the cameras:
- Resolution: These cameras range anywhere from 8 to 12 MP in resolution. Both resolutions will give you great printouts up to 20x30 inches at the finest resolution. With the 12MP cameras, you will be able to crop more items and keep the high resolution for printouts.
- Zoom: I am a huge fan of optical zoom. The more you can get, the better in my opinion. Often times, you will sacrifice the camera's size for more optical zoom (more zoom=a bigger camera). If you're looking for something very portable, you might have to avoid something like the S5 IS ( digitalcamera-hq.com/digita... ), but the others should fit in a bag easily.
- Flash: If you want to experiment with an external flash or use one to increase your flash range, the G9 ( digitalcamera-hq.com/digita... ) or S5 IS ( digitalcamera-hq.com/digita... ) might be better choices (both have external flash hookups). Most camera flashes only work up to about 13-15 feet, while an external flash can reach over 60 or more feet.
What it all comes down to is what you want to do with the camera, where you want to take it, and how much you're willing to spend. I would also reccomend going into a retailer like Penn Camera, Ritz, or Wolf to test the cameras and see how they feel in your hand. Someone like Hal likes the way the G9 ( digitalcamera-hq.com/digita... ) fits in his hands. While I would prefer the S5 IS ( digitalcamera-hq.com/digita... ) because of the longer zoom capabilities (if choosing between these 5 cameras). What we like and what you might like could be different though. I hope this has cleared things up for you.
Andrew
More to your camera needs... if you are looking for a P&S, canon's are a good (if not the best choice). And I applaud you and others who slams SONY! haha! Sorry for the abuse Sony, I just think their crap... all looks and no substance?! Panasonic P&S is another good choice in the market, they generally cater for the more novice of the users, (i.e. the auto functions are some of the best).
For deciding on a camera purchase, it more important to know what and how you want your photographs to be taken. DOn't go over camera specs and compare which is best to determine your needs! G9 is a great P&S (if not the best P&S in the market, in terms of general affordability and usability, Leica has a P&S out now that produce amazing photos, but that little shooter will cost more than an entry level SLR with Kit Lens and usability is not a major advantage of the camera), but if you don't need the capability of it, then getting it might be overkill for you!
One major advantage of G( over the other 4 cams you mentioned is it's default RAW capture capability. But there is a walk-around to get RAW for all canon P&S now (CHDK, which is another topic).
On new replacement models on the horizon, next model on the G-series might be coming out at the end of the year or earliest by September, although it's more likely that S5's next model is coming out in September (check out canonrumors.com/)
... review site, I say that dpreview is NOT a great site!!! Many times, it gives wrong informations on their reviews! Others like www.popphoto.com , www.imaging-resource.com are better... more precise info with more relevant review... Another way I like to compare cameras now is through flickr.com, everyday users will post their photos there, and there're camera-specific groups there, so it's the best place to browse through to see the type of photos the camera will produce for everyday users like us...
thanks,
Gordon
Generally, Sandisk would be my choice over PNY anyday because PNY, in my experience, makes slow cards.
Class VI (6) is the fastest official SDHC card rating (using the older rating system this would be about 133X or 150X).
In any case, I would get the Sandisk card, all else being equal, and even if the Sandisk is more expensive.
If you have anymore details you can give me, I can be more specific in my recommendation. The following is my general paragraph on SD/SDHC memory cards:
"To be more specific, SD cards come in different speeds and sizes. The speed is rated by Class 2, 4, and 6 (6 being the fastest). Class 2 is plenty of speed for the usual still pictures even for 12 MP cameras. Class 4 is needed for full size and speed video. Class 6 is needed for shooting RAW pictures and continuous mode (even when using JPEG compression). If you want to take fast pictures back to back, get a Class 6 card. Class 6 will give you the least possible time between pictures.
The original SD cards were restricted to no more than 2GB. Never-the-less, some manufacturers made 4GB SD cards which worked only in some cameras (big mess). Next came SDHC (HC for high capacity) cards and they range from 4 to 32 GB. Next came the confusion when the camera companies state their camera is good for up to 4GB and we test them and find they work fine with 8 GB cards!
The unofficial method for stating a card's speed is the X method such as 60X or 133X or 150X. The X method tells you the maximum reading speed of the card when what we really need is the write speed. The Class (2,4,6) system tells the write speed and has been adopted as the standard now.
You also need to know that there are counterfeit SD cards for sale by unscrupulous dealers at internet sites such as eBay and others. These cards can look just the same as the real ones but don't have the speed or capacity stated. Sooooo, buy only from trusted dealers.
If you buy the SanDisk brand, their fastest SDHC cards are called Extreme III and are typically Class 6. They also come with software to retrieve your data from the card in the event you reformat it accidently. Similar software is available to anyone free at this website -- filerecoverytools.com/produ... me know if I can be of further assistance, Larry
thanks,
Gordon
Since you are going for the 8GB card size, I would definitely buy the Sandisk brand card over the PNY. While Class 4 isn't the slowest card, it will noticeably slow down the shot rate when using Continuous Mode OR when shooting in RAW mode.
Check around and I think you will find that there is good reason for PNY not having the reputation that Sandisk has.
I bought a Panasonic 8GB card and have been very happy with it. It is a Class 6 and does not slow my camera down at all.
Any info. on other people's experience with dependability of Canon camera's would be most appreciated. thanks.
Canon does not appear to be at higher risk of this problem. It may appear so, but it just because there are so very many more Canon P&S cameras out there than anybody elses. Canon has over 60% of the market and has had for quite a while. Even a 0.1% rate puts millions of cameras at risk resulting in lots of true stories of real problems (such as yours), but the chance you take with Canon is not higher.
Consumer Reports puts P&S digital cameras at less than 5% lifetime failures with all popular brands falling within the statistical variation (meaning no statistical difference). I have read up on this subject (not a lot to read) and as best I can tell you can't beat it by buying any particular brand.
I repaired twice with canon directly before, I've a feeling that the repair even do not last more than 18 months for the powershot
series of camera. It is unlikely that I'll ever buy a cannon camera again. I pad $150 for repair cost every other year for a $400 camera
I purchased originally.
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http... that as the problem often doesn't show up until the camera is just over a year old, it's impossible to say whether recent models are likely to be affected. It does, however, appear to be deliberate built-in obsolescence, seeing as this problem seem to affect a wide range of Canon cameras when they are between 12 and 18 months old, just outside the warranty.
Canon often make good compact cameras, so my suggestion is to factor in the cost of an extended warranty when comparing with other cameras. This isn't stopping me from buying a G10 ... but I will definitely get an extended warranty at the same time.
If you could tell us a little about what you hope to do with the cameras, we could be more specific about recommendations. It's very difficult (if not impossible) to just recommend one camera over another since they all have advantages and disadvantages.
Based on your question, I would have to answer you with, "Yes, you should".
Thank you for your answer. I have decided that I want to buy a good, prosumer-entry level camera, for which the XTi seems to be a better option. However, I have also been looking at the Nikon D40x, and it seems really appealing. I can't really tell which one would be better. What do you think?
I am looking to a price range that allows me to buy either the Canon Xti, Sony Alpha 200, or the Nikon D80. Which one would you prefer?
Thank you!
The advantage is that you can always undo what you don't like and you get many, MANY other options to manipulate the image. And you don't take up room in your photo card with additional copies.
Since you want to replace your S2, why not go with a large Super Zoom like the Olympus SP570UZ?
I did not discriminate by whether or not the camera had a viewfinder, sorry.
, Of course you are right ,when you have a computer to fix prints and when you are blowing photos up -- I do neither of these two things.Walmart does my work at 15 cents per print, not too well sometimes, but is all 4x6 prints. They do not suffer much using the extra 4x digital zoom power, PROVIDING you have good lighting and a steady platform-- without these two eliments digital zoom in the G-9 i s worthless, just as it is in all digicams using digital zoom enhancement.. I have gotten some very decent results ( birds, still lifes, landscapes,ie) all stationary subjects, all in good day light , and with excellent bracing-- James ,it amazes me how decent the resolution ad color saturation is on some of these shots.. I have owned lesser qualit y P and S digicams previous to my G-9 and they could not do anything at all in ther Digital zoom mode, regardless of the lighting and steady bracing. All I said was , with a choice of a tele conversion extender auxillary lens and use of the digital zoom in the G-9 , I subjectively prefer the Digital on board capability vs. the the 1.7X extender zoom lens-- I have use dboth methods, and my resluts seem more uniform with the digital zoom , rather than the 1.7X attached extender lens. I hope you agree on that point, as you have the savvy to know , the addition of more enlarging prism glass to the optical on board system only hinders it .. no arguement here.. hal5141
im leaning to a canon coz everyone seems 2 b buying it , although i dont know the reason 4 that ...
i'\d really appreciate it if some would answer some questions for me ...
1. first off why does everyone seem 2 prefer the canon cameras..???..over nikon and sony ?
my hubby owns a sony .P93 5mp 3x
my parents own a nikon 4600 4mp 3x
i have used both qiute a bit , but i love the nikon , the pics are so much better 4 some reason . any of u have comments on that ??
aqnyway i want a new cam....
i do not want a slr becoz my hubby has decided he will b getting one for himself in a few years time ...
so i one somehing more than the cams i useat the moment... and slr which we will get in the future ...
my requirements are ....
mpix
it obviously has to be more than the 5 or 4 i use at the mom .. else theres no point ....
im looking into 8 and above mpix
do not have an issue with buget
not looking 4 an dslr just a size that has all my require ments . not beefy /slr size .. i know wioth my demnds i wont get an ultra compact .
looking to go double on the present optical zoom .. so 6x or more
have to have optical image stabilization
would like to ahve fast flash rechagring time ( only annoying thing abt the nikon i have, at times it takes 20 seconds. tooooooo much time and 2 many precious moments lost coz of that ..... )
want image quality 2 be 15 on a ascale of 1-10
i do experment alot with cameras . so i want a manual modeS , to tune it to my liking ...i like to think myself as a buddin photographer , and i ahve taken a few which have gotten me lots of praise .. there fore i want a damn good cam .
there will b alot of low light situations and i ahve an active 1 year old who i take pics of daily ..
i am only looking into brands CANON, NIKON , SONY
asking an serching around seems like the only models that fit my require ments are in canon
IS THAT TRUE ? what abt sony and nikon ?
and the canon models mentiond with my requiremnts were
1. G9
2. A650IS
3. SX100 IS
4.A720IS
an u tell m,e which is most suited 4 my needs ?
and are there no nikons or sonys with my needs
but really i have no prefernce 4 a brand , just want a dm,an good camera ..
i love photography , and i take lots of pics of my fmaily esp , my 1 yr old cuite pie ... alsoo we travel qiute a bit so i want a cam that wil take awsome pics of the breathtaking places we visit
will apprecaite all th help anyone can give .....
2. 6X zoom is typically enough for normal conditions. If you are shooting birds at a distance you need all the zoom you can get; 12-18X is nice. However, the other end of the spectrum is very useful, too. Wide angle shots can give your photographs a whole new look. Wide angle allows you to get closer to a foreground object while still having a distant background. If you are really thinking of developing your photography skills you might want to look for wide angle capabilities as a possibility.
To extend the zoom past the camera's limits, you can always crop and enlarge on the computer (provided you have the MP to throw away with the crop. Again that depends on how large you make your prints or how many pixels your computer screen has if you don't print your pictures on paper). 8MP is still typically more than adequate and 12MP on a larger CCD sensor allows huge cropping.
3. Compact size (but not ultra-compact) -- I agree with you on this judgment. Compact enough to carry with your conveniently but larger enough to not compromise the camera function.
4. Optical image stabilization - Absolutely! In fact, I personally think that this is what sets Canon apart from most of the others. Other people would disagree with that and it is just an opinion.
5. Flash recharge time -- most of the better digital cameras now have much faster flash recharge than 20 seconds. Even 2-4 seconds is common. Top of the line cameras, like the G9, only use as much flash as is necessary for the shot, and that allows them to recharge quickly. Of course, if you are using maximum flash it can take up to 6 seconds. If your batteries are getting low, up to 10 seconds.
6. Image quality -- absolutely a must. When you are talking about upper end ($400 and up) cameras anyway, image quality is typically good.
7. Manual control is a must as you said for anything beyond snapshots of family and travel spots.
8. Active motion shots require enough light to use a fast shutter to stop the action OR a powerful flash to do the same thing.
9. Low light capability is not to be found in a typical point and shoot camera. Even the G9's slightly larger CCD can't begin to match up to a dSLR's low light shooting ability. Never-the-less, the G9 has all the necessary items to allow you to compensate as much as possible in low light including reasonably fast lens (2.8) for a P&S; hot shoe to allow a really good flash unit; manual control to force wide open aperture; optical image stabilization to get 2-3 extra stops in low light; separate dial to adjust ISO in those extreme cases.
10. To get the whiz-bang performance we would all really like, it requires a dSLR. However, the G9 comes as close as possible to dSLR performance while maintain a compact size. In my search for a camera I decided that I would give the G9 a try with the idea that if it didn't meet my needs then I would know for sure that I would have to put up with the larger size of the dSLR in order to get the pictures I want. So far, I'm still having a lot of fun and enjoying the G9 (and I haven't even gotten into the RAW mode yet!).
11. The A650is and A720is are good cameras, but they will have longer flash recharge times.
12. Have you looked at the S5is. Its advantage is being able to use the zoom during video. That gives you a mode to solve the kids running around problem (provided you view the images on your computer). The S5is is larger than the G9 and that can be a problem.
13. If you want a wide angle camera consider the SD800is OR if you choose the G9 you can get an extender tube and the wide angle adapter.
14. I don't know much about them, but you might want to look into one of the new "compact" dSLR cameras with live view.
15. I personally think that Nikon is putting their efforts into dSLR's and not much to impress in the P&S line.
16. Sony just doesn't attract me at all, but there are those who really like them. I admit my bias is for Canon since I have used them for about 40 years and been happy with them. I've used Minolta(digital), Polaroid(instant film) and Kodak(film) also over the years, but Canon has always won out over the others.
17. For your stated requirements the Canon G9 fits the best (especially since you said that cost isn't a problem).
Good Luck in your search.
U didnt tell me why u thought canon cameras were better than sony and nikon
u seem to have an affinty for canon cameras as i do for the nikon .
i too am not that fond of sony .. but i just want to buy a good product
are u aware of any product in the sony or nikon range that meets my requirements ?
i am aware of the S5IS but its too bulky 4 me .
also u dint have any opinion to impart about the SX100IS?? no comments on that ?
i dont know.. everyone seems to b recommending the G9. but i have a cuz who own it and i saw one set of pics taken with it at a party and i was not impressed , they were just ok pics ..........so im still not sure abt the G9.
do u ahve a site i can go to to compare pics taken with these cameras...
id also like to have a few models from sony and nikon to compare too.
plz help out again larry
tahnks so much 4 ur help
u 2 seem all 4 the G9 ..as i have asked b4 are ther no models in nikon or sony for me 2 check out that has all my requirements ?
i actually like the nikon i own very much .... so im assuming a higher grade nikon wud be awesome. but i undersatnd they dont have any in the advanced catergory .........just DSLR
am i right ?
what abt sony ?
and how come the other canon models dont fit in ur list (A650IS.,SX100IS , A720IS)
i wud like to know whats wrong wth them , or wher exactly they lag behind the G9
Regarding the SX100is -- I eliminated that one when you complained about slow flash recharge times. The SX100is starts at about 10 seconds with fresh batteries and gets longer times as the batteries go down. I don't think you'll be happy with that. It also doesn't have a viewfinder which is limiting if you really plan to take your photography as far as you can with a P&S.
Nikon dSLR's are great. I don't see anything exciting in their P&S line. My opinion on Canon's is that they command such a large percentage of the P&S market that they are able to spend more on research and development than the other companies. Sony makes their own CCD sensors which is nice, but they also force you to buy their proprietary memory cards which I don't like. That makes me much less familiar with their cameras. Sony strikes me as being designed for the person not so interested in going as far as they can learning more about photography but being able to just take a picture with a minimum of fuss (and understanding of what is going on). And that is fine. That's just not what I'm interested in and from your specifications, you aren't either.
The A720is also falls down on flash recharge time plus they placed the PLASTIC tripod nut way off center which can be a major problem when using a tripod. If the A720is is all you can afford then by all means get it as it is worth the money, but you'll get even more value in the G9 IF money is no problem.
I suggest checking out the sample pictures at dpreview.com and let me know what you think after you see what can be accomplished with these 3 cameras.
Also, I'm not trying to sell you a G9. I am trying to match your request/requirements.
I would also recommend AGAINST the G9 IF it doesn't fit well in your hands or the controls seem difficult to reach and use. Sometimes finding a camera that really fits your hands well is the most important thing.
, just stumbld across the smart zoom concept .. and im intersted .. the web site i read it on said that ionly son cams have it at the moment , is that true ? no degradin in the qulity of the pic that was given as an expmle .. canon cams dont ahev smart zoom ?
help...
Read about Smart Zoom at these two sites. Safe zoom does the same thing as far as I can tell.
cameras.co.uk/html/smart-zo... would suggest not using either of these functions because they force you to PREJUDGE 1) the MP size of your crop and 2) the center of your picture AFTER cropping. It just doesn't make any sense to give up the flexibility you have when shooting at full MP and crop later in computer to suit your fancy when you can sit down and adjust all aspects of the picture to your liking.
It appears you are doing a great job of investigating your next camera. Thanks for asking us to explain the new information you are coming across. That keeps us up to date on new items and keeps you out of confusion (especially with all these gimmicky marketing add-ons). Keep up the good work.
again thanks for all the info
got a few questions
1. do u know of any sites wher i view simiar pics taken with cams i want to comapre ..
got one at cameras.co.uk .. wich is good , but i'd like to view a simiar site
know of any ? tryied dpreview, but the pics are diff , so i cant really compare bettween models
2.wht do u think of tjhe panasonic lumix TZ5
now b honest n dont b biased 2wards G9
G9 stll the winner even compared to that ?
i thought of looking into it coz of lecia lens they use now .....................
imaging-resource.com/IMCOMP... I agree with Hal on this one -- The TZ3,4,5 Leica lenses are not what we all think of as typical WOW Leica lenses. The G9 still wins.
that they are all equally the same in that departmnt ?
wow .... hmmm. didnt know that .. maybe i shudnt believe all i read ...
It is all because the CCD light sensors are so small and the pixels are small and the aperture values increase as you zoom towards telephoto.
So, technically they are not all the exact same but the variation among P&S cameras is small compared to the difference between P&S and dSLR cameras in general.
That means, if you need good low light function in your camera then you need a d SLR.
1 . so is the G9 just the same as PS cameras or does it fare slightly better ? i know it wont reach SLR standards , but i just wanna know if they r just the same .
2. what exactly is RAW.i read somewhere it helps in maximum image contol , and elseswhr i read it produced best image quality
3. what is 16:9
4. isnt optical imagie stablizationbetter than elctronic?
5.what is dipoptre correction
i read abt saftly zoom with the G9
and it said that with a SMALL image u can get 24x , medium1--7x, medium 2--9x, medium3---15x
6. wht is the megapixel size of these small , medium123, .. its stupid to take a VGA. so i just wanna know ..
7. i wanted to know if it was possible to change a pic u have already taken into a larger or smaller size .
more often than not i find that i have taken some really good pics , but they are in a small size or not fine , and i wished i had set it another mode .. can i do that with g9, or for that matter with any camera?
i also find that i ahve taken ok pics in some very sizes , they are nhot that bad so i dont want to delete it , but i wish i cud have chnged the size into a smaller MP so that i ahve more room on my card .... i usually have this dilemma when im on the road and travellin .
and like change u change a pic taken in8MP to RAW? that wud be good ..
if u dont mind , i'd like to keep asking u questions as i continue reading up on the G9.
thanks larry take care
So if size/weight is not a concern for you then you may want to consider the mega-zoom cameras.
2. RAW is a system that avoids processing the data your camera captures. That RAW data is then transferred to your computer and you use your favorite "Pro" level software (PhotoShop, etc.) to process the data into an image. The advantage is that you can manipulate that data to obtain the absolute best possible image from what you captured. The G9 allows you to simultaneously capture both the RAW and the JPG data. If you take RAW only you can't view the image in the camera on the LCD, but by taking both at the same time you can review the JPG image and decide if you got what you wanted. If not, erase and try again. RAW images take a lot more time and effort than just the quick snap JPG image, but RAW has much more potential if you are willing to use it.
3. 16:9 is the ratio of width:height of the image generated. Its advantage is that it matches the wide-screen format common on laptops and new TV's. It more or less accomplishes a slightly panoramic view look by stripping off a little from the top and a little from the bottom. With the G9 if you want a real panoramic view you can stitch multiple images together. Non-wide-screen TV is 4:3 ratio. If you print your pictures onto paper the common ratios are 4X6, 5X7, 8X10 and so on. The problem is that they are all different ratios! That makes it impossible to actually print the entire image on the various sizes. having 16:9 available is nice if you have a 16:9 screen or you find the 16:9 ratio pleasing to your eyes. 16:9 is very similar to the screen ratio at the movie theatre and gives a better representation of what we see with both eyes open. the 4:3 or 3:2 ratio images are closer to what we see with one eye closed.
4. Everything I can get my hands on says that optical image stabilization is better than any other image stabilization system available on P&S cameras right now. Of course, someone will eventually build something better. What you have to watch out for are the "cheaters". Those are cameras which claim to have Image Stabilization when all they really do is increase the ISO number and keep the shutter speed fast. In between those two are cameras which electronically shift the image and/or combine that with some of the "cheater" tricks. The purpose of IS in low light conditions is to allow slower shutter speed without blurring the image and optical IS does that the best. The other IS use is at zooms of 4X and higher where imperceptible hand shaking blurs the image without IS. At some point in zooming, even with IS it gets blurred and you need a tripod.
5. Diopter correction relates to adjusting the viewfinder for people who wear glasses. Most folks who wear glasses prefer to remove them when they use a camera with a viewfinder (whether P&S or SLR). If the camera's viewfinder does NOT have diopter correction then they have to leave their glasses on. If it does have diopter correction they can remove their glasses which allows them to get in closer to the viewfinder and see the image much better. Having said all that, the G9 diopter adjustment is not enough to correct for my vision abnormality so I still have to keep my glasses on. That was a definite disappointment for me.
6. You are exactly right. The small image is 640 X 480 pixels = 0.3MP which means I can use 24X zoom but only if a take a picture that printed on paper is about 3 by 1.5 inches!! Really silly, but technically speaking, that is what it will do. The other sizes are: Medium 3=2MP at 1600 X 1200 (15X); Medium 2=5MP (9X); Medium 1= 8MP (7X) and Large is 12MP (6X).
7. Sorry. No changing image sizes in the camera. That has to be done after transferring images to the computer. Note that if you take a full size (12MP) picture you can then reduce the size as much as you want in the computer. If you take a 2MP image (size M3 in the G9) it does not work well to try to increase it up to a larger size in your computer. Going down in size is OK. Going up in size makes for fuzzy images. Ideally what you need to know before taking the picture is what you are going to do with it. If you know you will be printing 4 X 6 prints then you can get by just fine with the M3 - 2MP size image. M2 at 5MP is more than enough for 5 X 7 inch prints. M1 at 8MP is great for 8 X 10 enlargements. 12MP will go up to 10 X 13 or so.
Also, due to the nature of RAW and JPG images that is no way to swap between those either.
The solution to memory on the road and traveling is to buy more SD cards. 2MP SD cards are pretty cheap now so you can load up and take full size images. Watch for them to go on sale and buy 2 or 3.
8. Not only do I NOT mind questions, I enjoy them. Ask all you want. I just reserve the right to say, "I don't know" to some of them. :)
thanks again 4 replying
i have spent the last few days reading up on the G9 and my head is abt to burst .its sounds relly complicated .
anyway i got a few more questions .hope u dont mind.
1. are u sure u cant compress pics taken to get more space on the card , im sure i read it in one of the reviews .. maybe i was wrong .somehitng called image resizefunction .
2 is stich assist the same as panorama?
3.can u apply my colors effect to saved pics ? recently took some on my nikon and the colors were too vibrant , cant dial down now .
4. does the image stabilzin really work on ur G9... dunno if i read it wrong but i went to dpreview as u advised and the S5is seems to fare better in the IS area compared to the G9
5. this thing called ISAPS does the G9 have it and does it work ... actaully waht does it do ?
6. hows the flash recharging on the G9 ....im a big fan of the nikon brand as u are of the canon ..... and my only complaint with m E4600 is that the flash recharging takes wayyyyyyyyy too long ,anywhere between 5- 30 seconds depending on light and battery ........ its the only thing that drove me crazy .but then again thats an old camera .
7. can u tell me the type of cards compaltible with the G9 ....... and the max capacity complatible .. SD is 1 gb right ? what abt the rest ?
8. whats the histogram used 4 , do u use it to make ur shots betteror something ? and if so how ? .......... this is way more complicated than what i own at the moment . can u explain or direct me to someplce that will explain it to me in laylmen terms ?
9. do u know any site i can go to for tips , i checkd out the pics on dpreview . they were awsome . very SLRish ... but i checkd out the pics for sx100is, s5is, a720is , 650is .............and they all lookd great . guess it has to do more with the person behind the camera too.
10. i know i keep asking this quetion ......... i still dont get what the differnce between the above mentiond models and the G9 is . other than pixels , zoom , raw, lcdsize and battery type and price.....IS THAT THE ONLY DIFFENCE BETWEEN THESE 5 MODELS ? or am i missing out on something ? more of the comparison chart i go to are empty in many coloums ........so i dont get a real i dea of what is basically difrent between thse models .
11. if u were gonna buy an SLR whud u go for a nikon or a canon , and why wud u go for it ?
thanks , do reply . tc
ann
cann u please answer the questions i have
some one plz help me out
thanks
ann
You can resize and save in a new file. Pages 187-8. Resize means decreasing the number of pixels from L to M to S. Doesn't work in W or RAW modes.
You can rotate an image and save but not to a new file. Page 174.
I thought I might like to upgrade some and get something that I could learn with and still get some decent photos. Something with good color and maybe some capabilities I could learn to use.
I have been reading about the G9, S5is, and a couple of others. The more I read the more confused I get. I read how some people love the G9 and then others talk about the noise of it. Can you give me some suggestions for my needs?
Thanks!
Secondly, once you got confused, you did the right thing by reaching out for help.
The third item is where you can go wrong (but I will help you not to :) ). In reaching out for help you may be tempted to seek expert advice in the form of "tell me what to do" or "tell me what I want". Instead, you must forge ahead in the confusion using your experts to help you think and evaluate the differing choices you must face in your quest.
Keep in mind that you are not seeking the "perfect" camera, but rather the right camera for you. That means you must seek to know what your needs are. That is where the confusion really begins.
So let us start by a summary of what you have stated in your question:
"Like to travel light" -- this translates into wanting a compact or ultra-compact digital camera.
"not even an amateur photographer" but "something I could learn with" -- translates into a camera that will work on an automatic setting but also allow for using increasing manual settings as you learn how to make use of them.
"family photos....." -- translates into "it would be useful to have a wide angle lens"
"my son's track meets" -- translates into "need a responsive camera with minimal 'shutter lag' ".
Next is the really difficult part that you won't like at all. Your stated needs are in conflict with each other. That is, they can not all be totally met by any one camera. This is always the case, and compromise is a must for any photographer. That means you must weigh these items in the balance and decide one which ones you are able to be more flexible and on which you are more insistent.
So now begin to consider if the camera were not so compact but took the sports pictures really well, would that be an acceptable trade OR should we stick with small and light even if some (but not all) of the track photos come out blurry and unacceptable?
Also, cost can be a big factor. cost is just a fact of life so we might as well admit right up front that it does limit our choices since if we spend more money on one item we have less to spend on another. Nothing to be done about it. So we need to know your budget amount.
I can't continue writing just at the moment, but I will respond to you if you will consider what I have written and let me know what you think thus far.
If you can maybe give some suggestions for cameras in that price range and their performance for each of the things I am looking to do with it. I realize that their is not going to be one camera that is the best at everything, but I'm willing to compromise. For instance, the G9 will be really good for what, but not for ?. Does this make sense?
I am so glad I found this site! It really has been helpful!
The optical viewfinder was another reason I was looking at the G9. I guess most people don't mind not having one, but that was one of the things I hated about my last camera. I missed so many shots, because I could'nt see the screen out in the sun or if it was night time. Oh yea, it worked fine in the store under good lighting conditions, but just about every where else, not so much! So I decided that what ever I was going to buy would have to have a viewfinder. I am glad to hear that the G9 seems to be brighter than most!
RAW mode can be disabled on the Canon G9 ( digitalcamera-hq.com/digita... ), and the the photos would save save JPG files. Both of these cameras are good options. The Canon G7 ( digitalcamera-hq.com/digita... ) has a slightlylower resolution 10 vs 12.1 MP, and does not shoot in RAW mode. If you're not looking for raw, it might be a better option for you at a slightly lower price. You can get the Canon G9 ( digitalcamera-hq.com/digita... ) for under as $430 on eBay ( itemlistings.ebay.com/sdcsr... ). You can also look on CraigsList ( craigslist.org ) for used cameras in your location.
Andrew
1) For still pictures both cameras will give similar results. The difference will be that the S5is will show you in the LCD what your final results will look like because at 12X that should be enough magnification to avoid any cropping and enlarging to see what you want. However, with the G9, by using all 12 megapixels you can take your pics then download later to you computer and crop and enlarge. The result will be the same in the end (or at least very close). You would have to blow the pictures up to poster size to be able to tell any difference as far as number of pixels goes.
2) Also for still pictures, we'll consider the low level lighting effects. The G9 has more pixels but also has a slightly larger sensor than the S5is. The result is a very close match in terms of light sensitivity per pixel. Again it would be very difficult to measure any difference.
3) For video images, I would have to give the nod to the S5is because you can zoom while "filming" which the G9 does not allow (except for digital zoom and you really don't want to do that more than 30-50% at most to avoid individual pixels showing up on the screen).
For other purposes such as pocketability, the G9 would pull ahead.
For your stated purposes the S5is wins, IMHO.
The important item for the graduation pictures is to have a tripod to steady the camera especially when zoomed out to 6-12X. The anti-shake feature is very good on these cameras, but when you get that far zoomed out a tripod is essential especially in low light conditions. If they won't allow tripods in for some reason, ask if a monopod would be acceptable. If not, then get one of the mini-tripods and attach it after you get inside the facility. Even a small (9-10") "handle" will provide some stabilization. Otherwise, you can get a more stable shot by using the viewfinder which allows you to hold the camera close to your face. You have to force yourself to hold your elbows close in to your sides forming a (more or less) triangle with the camera at the top angle of the triangle. Best to practice some of these techniques prior to the big night so you can decide what works the best for you.
4) One other item I almost forgot which favors the S5is in your situation is the flip out and swivel LCD. This can allow you to hold the camera overhead and still view the LCD and frame your still or video even when you can't see the subject directly. So if the graduation is one where everyone stands up a lot this can be very useful (though tiring on your arms). Also very useful at air shows when everyone seems to want to stand and watch the aerobatic planes zooming by.
5) Another thought to keep in mind equally for both cameras -- If your still pictures come out darker than you like them to be, you can still salvage them with software unless they are just way too dark. Google has a free software called Picasa2 which has the capability to lighten dark pictures. Of course, you can adjust the ISO on your camera too as well as the exposure value. Temember that higher ISO values tends to make the image grainy or soft and blurry.
Your built in flash won't do much at that distance so you'll want to practice different techniques without flash beforehand. Perhaps at home with the lights turned down a little. Also keep in mind that the more you zoom in close to your subject (that is with the zoom lens sticking out of the camera farther), the less light will be let into the camera and the darker the picture will be. So try different settings, and remember that if you get a good looking picture using less zoom, you can always crop and enlarge it once it is in your computer.
Good luck and congratulations to whomever the lucky graduate is.
helps when you need a "EYE TO DIGICAM " shot, AND all this in a more compact package than the Canon S5 IS-- That basically is the bottom line. MANUVERABILITY, FLEXABILITY, COMPACTNESS, all make me lean (again ,strictly subjective) towards the G-9--hal5141
Regards,
Howard
Frankly, if you want to take snapshots, however, I think the G9 is overkill.
R. Davar.
R. Davar.
Thanks
Htree11
Hal, I'm having a little difficulty being certain I understand what you just wrote. When you wrote, "...The image may possibly be degraded in very low light....." did you mean the image may be degraded due to having the IS on or degraded due to the shooting conditions? Could you give us a simple "yes" or "no" for your experience with the IS system turned on as to whether or not IS causes image degradation? Thanks, Hal for reporting on your G9 experience.
So you turn the camera on and push the menu button. Navigate upwards 5 clicks to "IS Mode". Navigate right or left to choose among -- continuous, off, shoot only and panning. Push menu again and you are set to go.
The four choices for IS setting are:
Continuous is as it sounds - nonstop IS which is said to use just a little more battery power (but not so I can tell it)
Off - no explanation needed here I guess
Shoot only - No IS action until you press the shutter button to take the picture. You get no IS at the half depressed position but only when the shot is actually taken at full pressed position. The disadvantage here is that the picture is jiggling around somewhat while you are trying to frame the photo in the LCD. It's quite noticeable when zoomed to 6X and can be gotten rid of by simply turning the IS to Continuous action setting.
Panning - Used whenever you are following a subject moving horizontally and actually moving the camera as you are keeping the horse, car, flying bird, or child framed all the while you are pressing the shutter button to half-way, allowing the camera to focus and then quickly going to full depressed position of the button. Not useful if the subject is moving directly towards or away from you, but may be useful if the subject is moving left to right or right to left across your pathway. The subject must have a predictable path of course in order to keep it in frame especially if using any zoom. With a little practice it becomes rather like shooting skeet. Use a little less zoom rather than more and then crop the excess in the computer.
Now go find a nice fast race car to practice on! Larry
JPEG is the standard compression system for all P&S cameras now.
RAW gives you the raw datafile unprocessed. You then have to process it using PhotoShop to make the image visible. It's a lot more work than just shooting JPEG, but it also has more potential.
If you want to try shooting RAW be sure to set the camera to take RAW + JPEG. That way you can view the image in camera using the JPEG data and still have the RAW datafile for later. That allows you to throw away the ones not worth keeping.
Enjoy.
Since you tell me that you don't make poster size prints, I can assure you that both of these cameras will accomplish what you want to do. The 12X optical zoom on the S5is isn't a great advantage over the 6X on the G9 since it is quite easy to crop and enlarge the picture once it is the computer. Free software is available to do this compliments of Google. You can download it here
picasa.google.com/download/... the G9 has 12MP it can handle throwing quite a few away with the cropping and still have a sharp picture.
The G9 can take you farther than the S5is with its advanced capabilities such as RAW data storage as well as the usual JPEG.
If you like the way the G9 handles better than the S5is, that alone could make the decision.
The G9 has a slightly larger CCD sensor than the S5is.
In the video mode issue -- the S5is allows you to zoom while shooting which the G9 does not.
The big issue for me was portability, or really, pocketability. I carry my G9 with me everywhere and it is ready to get the shot anytime because of that. The S5is was just to big and heavy for full time availability.
Good luck in your camera hunting and let me know if I can be of further assistance.
Larry
I haven't purchased the G9 yet, but plan on it in the next few days. I would have chosen the S5 in a heartbeat if it were not for the flip out LCD. My kids would have it ripped off in no time at all. The other selling point for me was the view finder on the G9. Call me old fashioned, but I still like to look through one every now and then. I am only disappointed in the G9 in that the video mode does not zoom. It appears that we shoot in similar situations. I can't think of too many times I have to max out my zoom to get what I want. Cropping with the 12MP looks like the answer to me.
Looking forward to getting my hands on it!
Jen
To summarize:
* It sounds that the G9 can do everything that the S5 can do only better.
* The G9 is smaller and easier to handle
* The G9 has more growth potenial
* In video mode the S5 allows you to zoom which the G9 doesn't
I would just remind you to be certain to put the G9 in YOUR hands to decide if it is easier to handle for YOU. It really can be surprising how some cameras fit most people well and some people not at all.
Also, the S5is has "stereo" sound on the video which is nice but certainly not critical. Just wanted you to know.
Lastly, the physical pixel size on these two cameras is very close even though their pixel count is quite different. That is because the CCD sensor on the G9 is larger (larger is better for CCD sensors).
So this evening you read a little in the manual while the battery fully charges. Then shoot some in Auto mode with and without flash. Some portraits of the family using three or four different zoom settings to see the differences. Next check out this site to learn about the aperture setting (A mode). forum.digitalcamerareview.c... some outdoor pictures again with and without flash -- some Auto some A mode with different aperture settings. You'll be way ahead when you go to your first class!! :)
Enjoy!
Thanks in advance!
Jennifer
Thanks for the other info. I was wondering about the low ball pricing.
Mike
The G-9 is a suprising enitity in the vast array of P and S digicams available at the market place.Suprising because it has so much built in ,cutting edge, innards ,you get shots you never thought you could.. Again,subjectively , i am amazed by its prowess to capture photo ops with clarity, good resolution,and detail.. Hal5141
Pictures from the G9 can be enlarged for prints in the range of 13 X 10 inches and still look good. Any larger than that and you will begin to lose sharpness in details and might want to consider going to a dSLR.
Any point and shoot camera can give you poor quality/blurred pictures with bad technique including the G9. So be sure to use the proper three step technique when pressing the shutter button -- first step is pressing half-way down and holding at that position until the camera has focused; the second step involves maintaining the picture framed the way you want it while depressing the shutter button the rest of the way without jiggling the camera. The third step is to be sure to hold the camera steady until the picture is completed which could take a quick fraction of a second in good light up to more than 1 second in lower light conditions.
Leaving the image stabilization system on all the time can be helpful especially when zoomed fully out to 6X OR when shooting in low light. If the picture is blurred with IS turned on, then you need a tripod to get a clear sharp picture.
I would think that proper coloration would be important in forensic photography, so it will be important for you to learn about "white balance" which is easily adjustable on the G9. You can even use the custom setting which allows use of a "gray card" to help the camera adjust for unusual artificial lighting.
If you need even better pictures than you get with the G9 "right out of the box", then you can learn how to shoot and process with the RAW data file system included with the G9. It requires post-processing in your computer to generate the image and allows for sharpening, color balance adjustments, noise correction and other precision work to create the best possible image from the G9. RAW image capture slows the G9 down to 6-10 seconds per picture and adds the burden of post-processing with software such as PhotoShop which can take a while to learn.
The standard picture format is JPEG which compresses the image data file to speed up the processing in camera while simultaneously making the file size smaller to allow more images to be stored on the memory card. This is only important if you take lots of photos. The solution is to have sufficient capacity or number of SD memory cards. 2 or 4 GB cards are reasonably priced now. The 2GB cards will be labelled SD and the 4GB cards should be SDHC. You don't want a 4GB card if it is labeled SD.
You really must take lots of practice shots before going out on a forensic site to shoot with this camera. It can take a little "getting used to". Once you do get adjusted to it you won't want to give it up. Keep the camera manual handy for reference until you have gotten all the cameras capabilities mastered. The more versatile a camera is the longer it takes to really learn to use it, and this is a very versatile camera.
Just begin with the Auto mode and whenever you get a picture that you aren't happy with, switch to the A mode (for Aperture). You might want to read this short lesson in using the Aperture mode. It will make using the G9 even easier for the hard shots.
forum.digitalcamerareview.c... I have written this assuming that you are not greatly experienced in photography. If you are then please forgive me for teaching you the basics all over again and realize that someone else may read this thread and benefit from the basics on the G9.
Hope you enjoy the G9 as much as I have and that your forensic photography goes well.
1. RAW - pardon? I understand JPEG, but I've never heard of RAW and everyone is saying this is a plus of the G9.
2. Opinions on this camera, anyone?
3. How is the flash attached to the camera. Whenever I used it in the store, it seemed great, and half the time the camera didn't need the flash in a relatively dark store. I just wanted some personal opinions from users.
4. For artistic shots (i.e. baby's feet, close ups of nature, profile of a toddler) how does it compare?
Thanks to anyone who helps!
Meredith - New York
2. I really enjoy my G9 a lot. It is small enough (not small mind you, but small enough) that I carry it with me at all times and get to take practice/learning shots all the time. I think I am getting better much faster than I would if I only took pictures when I gathered up all my lenses and camera case and went out specifically to take pictures. It takes great photos which I can crop and enlarge a lot because of the 12MP. Admittedly, it is way more camera than I really can use right now, but I am catching up to it fast.
3. The flash is OK. It is adjustable easily to be + or - 2ev in 1/3 ev increments. That just means you can make it brighter or dimmer by a good amount. If you ever decide the flash isn't powerful enough for what you want to do there is always the hot shoe to stick a real flash on and go to town.
4. I'll put it this way, if the G9 won't do it then you definitely need to move on up to a dSLR.
5. Remember to download Picasa2 free complements of Google. You'll enjoy it as it keeps your photos organized and allows you to adjust color and exposure as well as do cute tricks like sepia tone or black and white plus red-eye removal.
I'll get out of the way and let others write something helpful, too.
Meredith - NY
I have this question, request you to enlighten me on this topic... more megapixels packed into the same sized sensor reduces quality, due to a weaker signal and more noise... in this regard, will switching to a smaller picture size(by the user,from the settings menu) help to improve the picture quality?? will it enable the user to extract better quality pictures from the same sensor?? awaiting your reply... thanks...
Some cameras have written into their firmware a process called "binning," which merges the signals of multiple pixels to make larger pixels. Usually at a 4-1 ration. This will essentially turn a 12-megapixel camera into a 3-megapixel camera. And that gives you the opposite problem of too many pixels on the chip ... you now have too few and as such, will run into artifacting instead of noise.
The argument is essentially this: CCD chips on point and shoot cameras a smaller and as such, fitting in more pixels causes them to lose light sensivity. Sure, there’s more data on the chip, but the chip can’t absorb the light data and what it ends up with is a picture that has more noise than image quality. In addition, the more megapixels a camera has, the larger the lens it needs to provide the clarity it deserves and prevent diffraction due to a loss of detail with smaller apertures. But since we’re talking portable point and shoots here, those large lenses simply aren’t being made.
Finally, with larger mega pixels comes longer saving time due to their requires huge storage capacity, or more compression if not storing images in RAW format. The result is a noisier image and a dissatisfied camera user who thirsts for high quality and speed but fell into the trap of "more must mean better."
In the end, relying on a smaller MP that can balance all these needs may indeed be a better answer.
If you are going to push 6MP cameras, you're going to have to tell us model numbers. Currently available cameras in the high end P&S catagory where abhi is shopping start at 7MP. There are no A rated non-SLR cameras on this website at 6MP. I hear where you are coming from, and if I could buy a 4-6MP camera equipped like a top end P&S camera, I would be at the store in the morning. All the 6MP cameras are second rate now. I don't want a used camera (though the Canon Pro1 caught my eye for a moment at $1800 like new).
And just because the ratings slack off on a camera doesn't mean it's a bad camera. Take the Fuli A610 ( digitalcamera-hq.com/digita... ) for instance. 43 reviews, average star rating of 4.42 of 5. 6 reviews here at DHQ give it a solid 5 starts out 5. I don't consider that "second rate."
Just remember that with age, comes a drop in the ratings. I remember many "A" cameras on this list that drop over time due to lack of availability. Doesn't mean they're "second rate."
And there's no need to be combative about it. You have an issue with Imaging's conclusions, attack the conclusions.
I'm not challenging the Image Engineering folks either. They seem to really know what they are talking about. So, I reread their page again and am reminded that they recommend a 3MP count for the typical 1/2.5" sensor, and 4MP for 1/1.8" sensors. 6MP really only applies to the 2/3" sensor as was used in the Canon Pro 1.
I did note their one line qualifier, "We calculated how many pixels have space to be in a sensor if one pixel has a size of 3 µm which we believe to be a minimum size for good image quality at higher sensitivity levels (>ISO 400).
" (bold added by me). That fits well with the experience we are having that our cameras do very well at ISO 100, not too badly at ISO 200, and deteriorate above that level.
I think I'm just frustrated because that puts us in a real bind since all the "decent" cameras are certainly more than 3-4MP now. I'm glad to hear the companies are serious about enlarging the sensors. And I'm glad I like to shoot outdoors where lighting direction is the "problem" and not lighting level.
Ultimately, it seems it always boils down to how good we are at working around our cameras' weaknesses no matter the cause. For example, I'm enjoying the 12MP G9 probably because I don't shoot in low light at high ISO's and don't notice whatever noise is there because I only view on the computer on a 17" screen. (And I don't shoot weddings!).
Thanks again for your feedback. I always like to learn more about this fascinating hobby.
And I still think you could give us a list of 4-6MP cameras you like. ;)
And if you spend most of your time taking pictures in optimum conditions (daylight, etc), then by all means, get the camera that best fits your needs. And Hal, if you're happy with the quality of the pictures you get, more power to you. I'm just going with the latest research. It may be that I'll revise my p.o.v. if I'm convinced otherwise. But until an counter argument is presented that's as persuasive as Image Engineering's, I've gotta go with what makes sense to me.
BTW for the record, I shoot with an 8MP SP560UZ and I do see the issue that I.E. mentions often. But for a longer zoom, you have to make tradeoffs.
Remember,the quality that you see in the G9 is not simply the outcome of using higher megapixels on the same sensor, so its not right to attribute the quality to the huge number of megapixels used... We,ve come a long way since when 3megapixels was considered state-of the-art and things has changed... Along with increasing pixel counts MANY other things have changed also...sensors have improved, focusing, image stabilization, the "auto" features, evrything has been worked upon and improved by the manufacturers...and these things combined give you the arguably best quality picture currently available on a P&S, the quality of the G9...
Had all THESE technologies been implemented on a lower megapixel camera, the image quality would not be as dissatisfactory as you are getting from your OLD models... And just because G9 gives WAY better pictures than your previous camera(with outdated technology), u cannot use this output as a direct comparison between low-res and hi-res sensors...
All other factors remaining same, had the number of pixels on the G9 been lesser, you would have certainly got EVEN better picture, better quality, brighter and MOST IMPORTANTLY, less noisier(As Larry pointed out, u won't understand this difference under good lighting conditions, simply because the amount of light, that is, the SIGNAL, is available in an adequate amount)...
The only advantages of using more pixels(OTHER factors remainig SAME) could be better resolution(not recognizable until viewed big-sized...) and the ability to take larger sized prints and crops... However, these must not come at the cost of other important factors(and to keep them similar, the ONLY way is to increase the sensor size...). This is where the manufactureres are doing the WRONG thing, they are simply abandoning quality and joining a "RACE"... The MEGAPIXEL race...
I too, would to go for a low-res camera, but they simply aren't made these days... And the old models, even if available, would require me to settle with an outdated(but providing first-rate quality in photos...) camera by sacrificing today's advanced technology which comes in the form of improved sensors and processors, more powerful lenses, better ergonomics and design and build, better flashes and displays and viewfinders, more accesories, and of course loads of useful in-camera features like Image Stabilization, Face Detection, Red-Eye removal, and a wide range of inbuilt shooting and scene modes... And yes, something below 6MPs do seem TOO low...And for ALL the 8,10,12 MP models, the noise is almost the same, they are all EQUALLY bad :( (Probably due to the slightly smaller sensors on the lower MP models)... At least the higher MPs will give me a bit of extra detail...
So currently there's nothing such as a "good deal", the best I can do is avoid the worst ones and select the one that is LESS worse...
I am SOOOOOO eagerly waiting for someone to manufacture those big-sensor models, and SOON... But till then, I don't know... I really wish I could buy a P&S, but ultimately, going for the costlier, BIGGER, heavier, less-portable, less user-friendly, less usable, and less-featured angel might be my destiny... :)
So look for it within the next few years.
anyway, do you remember the sources where you got this info from? I would like to check out the artcles... for getting a rough idea about the release dates of such models...
However, it's simple physics and math. The more megapixels camera manufacturers cram onto a tiny 1/6" CCD, the less sensitive it becomes and the greater the noise at higher ISOs and in low light. Now, this may not be an issue with the kinds of pictures you take, I don't know. But until camera manufacturers figure out a way around this light desensitization issue at High MP, it's going to continue and get worse.
Thankfully, there are signs of improvement and the G9 does have a larger CCD as part of those signs. But the price is what causes me to look at an SLR solution which doesn't experience that issue since the chips are far larger. Other good signs are that according to recent news articles, many camera companies will be incorporating the CCD chips they use in their SLR lines (which give no shutter lag) into their point and shoot cameras. In addition, [url=blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008... has created a new pixel arrangement that adds panchromatic pixels to the usual red, green and blue for greater light sensitivity. It's redesigned CMOS chips also analyzes the pixels in the opposite way it used to providing sharper images in low light.
So look for it within the next few years.
You are right on about planned obsolescence, though. Let's not forget that film cameras still take fabulous pictures.
And as for electronics, they're often obsolete as soon as they hit the market!
Mr DeRuvo and the techo boys are also correct, cramming that many pixels in such a tiny sensor will cause the photos to crap out on the higher ISO end of the scale. but then all the P&S do this. It seems that G9's tend to do it better though. We all live with compromises and tradeoffs everyday. I am personally enjoying the G9 and the good group of people I found participating in this forum. Take a bow everyone you guys deserve it. Thanks for letting me put my two cents in.
Best Regards,
Howard
This is NOT about the G9, please have a look at the original question, I think we are going off the topic...
The G9 is a TOP camera, it's a REALLY GREAT camera, and we know that... eevryone knows that, and there's no doubt about that...
Please don't misunderstand me, I never intended to under-estimate the G9's capabilities... :)
Its just that we are discussing something else here... :)
Anyway, it was nice to have so many people's responses...
-Abhi.
Some cameras have written into their firmware a process called "binning," which merges the signals of multiple pixels to make larger pixels. Usually at a 4-1 ration. This will essentially turn a 12-megapixel camera into a 3-megapixel camera. And that gives you the opposite problem of too many pixels on the chip ... you now have too few and as such, will run into artifacting instead of noise.
As I mentioned, I'm sure the G9 is a great camera in conditions below ISO 800. But it's important to know what to expect going in. And for the price, you should.
The G9 can be controlled remotely via software included with the camera, but the camera has to be connected via USB.
The G9 also has a self-timer with options to trigger after 2 seconds or 10 seconds. It also has a custom self-timer which can be set from 1-30 seconds between pictures to take 1-10 exposures without flash.
Larry
Try this URL for this very discussion on a different thread on this same website.
digitalcamera-hq.com/digita... camera hunting, Larry
I've been watching your posts regarding A650is and G9 and have been giving it some thought.
You have made a very good point regarding "identical images or not?"
Now, just for the sake of discussion, let's assume the images are identical. Does that mean ,"Buy the A650is because it is cheaper and gives you the same image"? I don't think so. I would say, "Now we have to give these two cameras a thorough evaluation of all the items which will make the difference in how we use the camera and how it works for us, individually". From that point of view I propose that these are two very different cameras such that the price difference MIGHT be worth it.
First, there is the list of function differences including RAW format; slight shutter speed difference; weight, shape and size; hotshoe; LCD differences including number of pixels, size, flip and twist; 2 white balance presets not on A650is-Flash and second custom setting; shooting modes--A650is does not have Sports scene; A650is has a limited My Colors list of abilities; G9 continuous mode is a little faster (1.5) than the A650is (1.2); G9 shoots time lapse; G9 shoots video at 1024 X 768 at 15 fps; G9 has additional Playback modes; G9 has additional erase modes; A650is takes twice as many pictures on one set of batteries; A650is runs on playback mode almost 4 times as long on one set of batteries.
All this information comparison comes straight from the Canon USA website (any errors are theirs).
Two, might be simply the way they fit in your hand and how you can operate the controls.
Three could be considering how you will carry the camera - in a case, in a pocket, on a strap, in a backpack, only occasionally or all the time.....
Four, if the built in flash on the A650is turns out to not be powerful enough you have the option of buying a slave flash that triggers off the built in flash. But that still might not be enough. OK. So you buy two slave flashes, or three! Now we are at the point of considering whether we would prefer having the G9 just so we could buy a flash with bounce capabilities etc. to maximize the potential of our camera.
Lastly, might be the possibly very serious issue of AA vs Lithium batteries. I agree with Hal S. on his posts saying we don't want to choose the camera just for the batteries, but IF everything else is judged to be equal and batteries make a difference, then we have to make a choice. I do think we have to be realistic and not just imagine scenarios which we don't really plan to happen.
And twice as many shots per set of NiMH batteries for the A650is could be really important in travel and other situations.
I think I have shown that these are two very different cameras, and that careful consideration must be given to weigh in the balance the potentially important differences for each user.
The Flip-Screen vs 3inch LCD. I originally wanted the flip screen until I saw them both side-by-side. The G9's 3inch LCD is noticeably larger and sharper and is a pleasure to look at. The best part is it can be viewed easily and clearly and sharp angles that makes up for not being a flip screen.
The Proprietary battery vs 4 AA batteries. Yes 4 AA rechargeable batteries are cheaper, last longer and if they run out you can use standard AA's, however the battery cover for the A650 is a joke. It's difficult to snap in place and feels really flimsy.
In conclusion, both cameras are great and have different features. If you are looking for a "point & shoot" for family/vacation/everyday pictures then the A650 is the one to buy because it's much cheaper and geared for the average consumer. If you are looking for a camera that's more advanced than a point & shoot yet not a DSLR or looking to improve your photographic potential then the G9 is the camera to get.
I have marked the answer "helpful" simply because it was, however, I would request you to look at the original question once... :)
But lots of thanks anyway...
-Abhi.
Sorry for the delay...
Yes, I've checked the S5. It is a nice camera, but it is not as great as it could have been, due to Canon's extremely irresponsible quality management(on this model). Its a really beautiful camera, with top-of the-line looks,build,performance and features. At one time, it was the most appealing model to me, but only as long as I was going by the specs... Because later, the reviews revealed a completely different story...
What a model iot was, Larry! And also pretty low-priced for a model like that- it had great build, beautiful hi-res vari-angle LCD, that USM/UD 12x lens, BRILLIANT movie mode with stereo sound and OPTICAL zoom, AA battery compatible, pop-up flash, super-macro, and what not???
BUT BUT BUT, the MOST important thing was given the LEAST attention - image QUALITY!! We don't expect THIS standard of optics from Canon! Frindging was the WORST I've seen on a recent Canon model! And that UD lens was not that free from distortion either, specially at the wide angle!! I know that long zoom lenses are very much susciptable to these things, more so at the wide angle, but if that holds equally true for this also, then where's the difference between a CANON and an other brand model?? And a BIT of it would have been certainly pardonable, but there's some SERIOUS issue with the S5's optics... The lens is probably exactly the same as that of the earlier S models, and none of the previous issues have been resolved... The SX100 on the other hand, seems to have better optics...
And then Larry, NOISE!! and LOTS of it... Not much worse than the other P&S models, but even a little worsenig of something which was ALREADY pretty bad, makes it really bad, isn't it?? NR operates even at the lowest ISO levels, and there is evidence of smearing even at ISO100. These things were quite unacceptable to me... Apart from these Image-quality issues and artifacts, EVERYTHING else on the S5 is great... It could have been a MAGIC camera, a DREAM camera, but it scored the least in what counts the most... These were my thoughts Larry, but I am really a novice and DO correct me if I went wrong anywhere...
And let's see if they change the lens in the next S model... I'm realy eager to see it...
BTW Larry, I found this model, A720IS to be having a little better noise performance. And its also a very good model otherwise... Not a hi-fi model, but simple and cheap and good, I quite liked it... Check it out, if and when you get your time...I'd love to have your comments...
And for my camera, I'l probably go for the Rebel XT...
1. I will mostly be shooting in JPEG only. However, I catch myself on vacation once a year or so, trying to shoot inside an old cathedral (I live in Europe)... I guess RAW wins there?
2. I'm an amateur photographer, so most shooting will be of my son, or party occasions etc. I need something fast and preferably as automated as possible. At the same time, I have bought a couple of books on photography and would like to epxeriment with manual settings. How do these two cameras rank on this?
3. I definitely want very good image quality. If you where shooting on the highest JPEG setting on both cameras using AUTO or the same SCENE or manual setting, would the picture quality differ?
Bottom line: why would the G9 be worth the extra investment, if it is?
Thanks a lot!
Marios.
If it is too dim you might have to drop down on the MP to avoid using flash with either camera.
2. Manual exposure control available on both.
3. Same quality with same settings.
Differences that I know of:
1. The A650is is a little larger and heavier (about 1/2" front to back) and the G9 slips into a large pocket easier for sure.
2. The LCD's are 2.5" and 173,000 pixels (A650is) VS 3.0" and 230,000 pixels (G9)
3. The G9 has an expanded list in the My Colors options.
4. Continuous drive maximum speed is 1.2fps for A650is and 1.5 fps for G9
5. The G9 has a hot shoe, shoots RAW, takes video at 1024X768 at 15 fps and uses Canon lithium-ion battery
6. The A650is has a Flip and Twist LCD and uses 4 AA NiMH batteries.
Sooooooo, buy the G9 IF A) you really want to bulk up with an external flash, B) you really want to be able to shoot RAW and put up with all that goes with it such as 6 seconds between shots and the post-processing requirement to even see the image, C) you can't live without video that flickers, D) you can't abide NiMH batteries, E) you want a better LCD in terms of resolution and brightness for use in bright daylight, E) you want to carry it with you all the time in a large pocket or small bag, F) the 1.5 fps makes a difference to you, G) you must have a shutter that goes up to 1/2500 second instead of just 1/2000 second, H) you really need and will use the extra options in My Colors such as darken or lighten skin tones and other exotica, I) You don't need the flip and twist LCD because you don't take shots where you a) hold the camera over your head to see over the head of the person in front of you such as at air shows or sports events or b) shoot at very low objects such as bugs or flowers.
There may be other differences I don't know/have forgotten, but that's the gist of it.
Since you are willing to consider the A650is and its larger size, have you ruled out the S5is which is a very nice camera too.
Don't give up!
Larry
Larry
To my knowledge the G9 can not do this. Larry
PS Thanks for the complement.
I'm leaning more towards the G9. I bought Digital Photographer (February 2008 issue) and the G9 gets 5 stars across the board. The A650 does a little worse. Also, on Test Freaks the G9 gets an 8.3 score and the A650 a disappointing (in my opinion) 6.6.
Comments please?
cheaper, flip and twist LCD, NiMH batteries and feel of camera in hand very different from G9.
The low test freaks score on the A650is is likely due to its light leak when it was first released. That has all been corrected by an aggressive recall campaign by Cannon, but the original scores were very even lower and are now coming up as the early scores are getting diluted by more recent purchasers with much better evaluations. But, yes, 6.6 is a disappointing score none-the-less.
Marios.
whibal.com/products/whibal/... color correction when shooting JPEG I have found Picasa2 can really make a difference with the "color temperature" or "neutral color picker" tools. You can download Picasa2 free from Google here:
picasa.google.com/download/... make a list of what photographic goodies you could buy with the difference in camera cost -- extra rechargeable AA batteries and charger, external flash with bracket, gray cards, camera case, tripod, ...... Now you can compare on an even COST basis and see which is really a better buy. You might even include an extra lithium-ion battery as a necessary item on the G9 to make it fair.
Best wishes and good hunting, Larry
It is a very good point regarding "identical images or not?"
Now, just for the sake of discussion, let's assume the images are identical. Does that mean ,"Buy the A650is because it is cheaper and gives you the same image"? I don't think so. I would say, "Now we have to give these two cameras a thorough evaluation of all the items which will make the difference in how we use the camera and how it works for us, individually". From that point of view I propose that these are two very different cameras such that the price difference MIGHT be worth it.
First, there is the list of function differences including RAW format; slight shutter speed difference; weight, shape and size; hotshoe; LCD differences including number of pixels, size, flip and twist; 2 white balance presets not on A650is-Flash and second custom setting; shooting modes--A650is does not have Sports scene; A650is has a limited My Colors list of abilities; G9 continuous mode is a little faster (1.5) than the A650is (1.2); G9 shoots time lapse; G9 shoots video at 1024 X 768 at 15 fps; G9 has additional Playback modes; G9 has additional erase modes; A650is takes twice as many pictures on one set of batteries; A650is runs on playback mode almost 4 times as long on one set of batteries.
All this information comparison comes straight from the Canon USA website (any errors are theirs).
Two, might be simply the way they fit in your hand and how you can operate the controls.
Three could be considering how you will carry the camera - in a case, in a pocket, on a strap, in a backpack, only occasionally or all the time.....
Four, if the built in flash on the A650is turns out to not be powerful enough you have the option of buying a slave flash that triggers off the built in flash. But that still might not be enough. OK. So you buy two slave flashes, or three! Now we are at the point of considering whether we would prefer having the G9 just so we could buy a flash with bounce capabilities etc. to maximize the potential of our camera.
Lastly, might be the possibly very serious issue of AA vs Lithium batteries. I agree with Hal S. on his posts saying we don't want to choose the camera just for the batteries, but IF everything else is judged to be equal and batteries make a difference, then we have to make a choice. I do think we have to be realistic and not just imagine scenarios which we don't really plan to happen.
And twice as many shots per set of NiMH batteries for the A650is could be really important in travel and other situations.
I think I have shown that these are two very different cameras, and that careful consideration must be given to weigh in the balance the potentially important differences for each user.
In summary, I would say that I am getting by all right without the flip and twist but I still would like to have a camera with it anyway to make those overhead shots easier.
Thanks for your comments.
While it not as good as I imagine having a flip and twist LCD would be, still the LCD on the G9 is visible at severe angles when held both low and high as well as to the side. The difference is that with the flip and twist LCD you can view the image at the perpendicular and without the distortion you have when viewed at such steep angles. None-the-less, once I had practiced just a short while, I was surprised myself at how well it works especially when you have only one object to focus on as opposed to trying to get three or four objects balanced in the screen as in some formal composition. If you have the opportunity to try a sample camera in a store I think you may be surprised at how visible the images are and how well the pictures can turn out. I admit I usually have to do a little cropping to get it the way I want it to be, but that happens even when I'm shooting straight and level, too. :)
The G9 (and most digital cameras) does not zoom during video recording. Here is the list of those which do zoom during video recording:
Canon PowerShot S5is
Kodak EasyShare Z712is
Casio Exilim EX-V7
Fuji Finepix S700
Video takes up a lot of space on the card, but now that cards are getting faster, larger and cheaper it is NOT such a problem as in the past. Shooting video on the G9 requires a Class 4 SDHC card (Class designates the speed).
It does NOT use mp3 format. It uses AVI compression method: Motion JPEG and plays back with QuickTime (page 105 in users manual from Canon).
Aside from the video mode - shooting continuous/burst mode requires a Class 6 card (currently the fastest).
Larry
The camcorder is especially important if you take long segments say 20 minutes and up in one stretch (kids school plays, concerts, dance recitals etc.) However, if you only take brief videos and not too often then the digital still cameras listed above should suffice.
One way to go about it is to buy a new still digital camera (assuming you were planning on replacing the A20 anyway) and try it out. If it doesn't suffice for the video you desire then you get to go shopping for a camcorder too. OR vice versa, if your A20 is doing well and you are happy with the pics it shoots, then get a camcorder first and a digital for stills in the next year or so.
My guess is that you will like the S5is for both once you try it out.
Larry
Just to keep in mind that with digital zoom during video recording, the more you zoom the worse the picture quality gets. That is problematic because the reason you are zooming in on something is to see it better. It also is more noticeable than you might think because we are trained (from TV and movies) to expect the picture quality to be maintained during zooming, so when it deteriorates we really notice it.
I have the G9 and really enjoy it. I'm still learning its capabilities. The remote control for the G9 is only via USB computer control using the Canon software that accompanies the camera.
There is a group that hacks Canon firmware and writes programs to do unusual things such as photograph lightning automatically in microseconds. They have hacked the G7 but not yet the G9 chdk.wikia.com/wiki/CHDK.
I currently live in a valley located in WV by a major river. I shoot lots of outdoor scenes. The G9 has performed beautifully as expected and as specified. I am still learning the controls and have been given good advice in this forum with regards to the cameras general operation.
Currently it's very cold and damp here not unlike were you live. I use the standard precautions when using this or any camera outside and when not in use, I keep it in my pockets. I don't let it get wet so I keep it covered if I use it in the rain. When I bring the camera in from the cold I place it in a plastic bag to keep moisture from forming on or in the camera until it warms up. I practice the same precautions in hot weather. The G9 is not weather or dust & sand proof. You will usually pay a lot more for this feature. However I think there are a few P&S cameras that may have these features. Good luck and have fun. Oh yes, The G9 seems to be pretty sturdy and fun to use. I hope this helps
Htree11
OK, Edward (or any one else). Your turn. Larry
I welcome rebuttals as I am willing to listen and learn.
what the fuck!
help me out here
I'd love to take a Canon G9 with me, so I've been scouring the web to se if there's any information about an adaptor which will allow use of AA batteries, and although there seems to be a fair number of people looking for the same information, their questions are inevitably met with unhelpful opinions about the value of rechargeable batteries. It's pretty frustrating.
I own a G9 and have thought along the lines you suggested of "somehow" connecting it to an external power supply whether AA or D cells. Canon has made it very difficult to do. The battery appears to consist of two lithium batteries in series so that they can connect to 3.7 v and 7.4 v. The 7.4 v is easy by using 5 alkaline cells in series to obtain 7.5 v. The 3.7 is more difficult. Also the physical connections are difficult since the G9 has no power plug point. The external power supply Canon does sell for the G9 is essentially a dummy battery with wires attached. You place the dummy battery into the regular battery slot and connect the wire to the transformer (brick) and plug that into the wall outlet. I can imagine using the dummy battery and connecting wire, then replacing the transformer with a battery pack such as 5 alkalines. You could have the battery pack clipped to your belt and use flexible wire to allow free movement of the camera even with the wire attached. Alternatively, you could attach the battery pack to the outside of the camera, but I think even just 5 AA cells might be a bit much to strap onto the bottom of a G9. Might have to actually try it to see if it is feasible. Still leaves the 3.7 v difficulty since looking into the battery compartment on the G9 it appears Canon does use both voltages. It is possible 4.5 v would suffice, but that would involve getting Canon (or someone a lot more knowledgeable than I) to tell us so.
Here is my alternative suggestion for you to run through the Google machine -- I've seen small solar cells designed to charge batteries. Perhaps there is one that would charge the G9 battery? I haven't seen such but I haven't put any real effort into hunting one down.
Good luck and let me know if I can help any further.
Spare whats??? D'you mean I should take as many charged-up Li-ion batteries as I'll need for the full 2-month trip? Or a camera which takes AAs, and lots of spare AAs
Check out these folks for solar chargers for Canon Li-Ion batteries. They also accept email for questions on specific cameras.
store.sundancesolar.com/soc... Luck.
Want sharp and crisp pics at all times, night and day, sports and kids, portraits and landscapes. Always!
Which is better 12x, 8MP or 6x, 12.1MP?
Please help!!!!!!!!!!!
Never-the-less I will jump into this discussion by saying that 8MP is plenty of pixels and 12X can be very handy on occasion. Be sure you go to the store and hold these cameras in your hands for a while and convince yourself you won't mind carrying it around a lot. If it turns out that you will have the G9 with you at all times then the G9 is better than the S5is which is sitting at home when you notice the beautiful sunset with the bird at the edge of the water! Both of these cameras take great pictures in the sense that the camera will not be limiting you for a long time. If you ever do get to the point where you have become a better photographer than either of these cameras can deliver for you, then you are really ready for a digital SLR.
I will gladly continue this discussion at your convenience. Larry
So which one of these: 12x, 8MP or 6x,12.1MP will get sharper pictures?
Are they both the same in results?
I can afford anyone of them, but which one is better?
Waiting for you answer. Thanx, Luce.
2. Canons are great cameras from a great company. (That is to let you know my personal bias).
3. If only half of your indoor pictures come out blurry and dark on AUTO you are doing above average already. Stepping up to a
camera like the S5is will allow you some manual control such as setting the shutter fast enough (say 1/100 second) to stop those wiggly kids with the flash. Plus, the S5is allows you to get a larger external flash and put it on the hot shoe which will help even more with stopping their motion AND the darkness.
4. The S5is fits your stated budget, too.
5. If the S5is is too large/heavy for you, then you can consider the SD's or A'S. The A720is is very nice but does NOT have the option of manual exposure which is so helpful in freezing those kids movement. The A570is has the manual exposure but decreases the zoom down to 4X (which is still plenty for indoor shots). Among the SD's you might consider the 850is and the 870is. The 850is is cheaper, has a viewfinder (helpful in those bright outside situations), and takes time lapse photos (not many people make use of this feature to be sure). The 850is has a 2.5 inch LCD, while the 870is has a 3 inch LCD but no viewfinder and costs more than the 850is. Neither the SD850 nor the SD870 has manual exposure controls.
6. the S5is also takes time lapse photos for whatever that is worth.
All in all, I'd put the S5is at the top of the list because it will do what you need right now AND allow you to grow in skills with the manual exposure controls. If it is not affordable, then the A570is would be cheaper yet still give you manual exposure controls.
If the above has satisfied your need for information, you can stop here. Read on only for bonus information --
The G9 is as close as you can get to an SLR in a compact digital camera (but it is NOT equal to an SLR) (and it is MUCH MORE than you need for scrapbooking pictures)
The S5is is close behind the G9 and the SX100is a distant third in terms of imitating an SLR.
The A series are considered to be cheaper introductory models BUT they have improved considerably in the past few years and really compete well if you take good care of them. They are a little more sluggish acting than the G9 etc.
The SD series are more expensive because they are ultracompact and you pay more to squeeze everything into a smaller package. The SD1000 is so small it becomes difficult to hold, IMHO. If you want a real pocket camera, get an SD model.
There is your introduction. To continue your search in more detail click on the "Resources" button near the bottom right hand corner of this page and read the expert reviews. As you narrow your choices, begin looking at the sample pictures in the galleries at the review sites. When you have it down to 3 cameras, go to the camera store and hold them in your hands to feel how the controls fit your fingers and how the cameras balance in your hand (especially one-handed).
Best wishes, good luck, don't give up even when you feel overwhelmed, and ENJOY your hobby to the fullest no matter which camera you get. Larry
Three things I really like about the S5 over the other cameras for family photos.
1. 12X optical does really come in handy for those school plays when you can't get the shot up close.
2. Wonderful movie mode if you ever want that function. You can zoom in movie mode also. Not many others can. Movies are in stereo.
3. LCD screen that tilts. Also for those crowded functions where you can't get the shot without raising the camera above the crowd.
Merry Christmas, Larry
The DSLR can do that but you may have to change lenses depending on how far or close the subjects are. The pictures from the Nikon D40X are outstanding and crisp, but you really need two lenses. The DSLR allows you to use many different lenses but along with that comes the expense. Some of the point & shoots have video also which the DSLR does not. Big difference to me is convienance of point & shoot compared to taking picture taking to the next level.
Merry Christmas,
doug
#1....LCD read out a brillliant 3 " on G9 a useful but smaller 21`/2" LCD on A720is
#2....!2.1 MP on the G9 and 8.1 MP on the A720is-- (4.1 MP additional on G9( makes for a lot of reserve power)
#3....The G9 has a hot shoe ,to mount auxiliary flash (doubles flash range) the A720is does not .
#4....THe shutter range is 15 seconds to 1;/2500 on the G9 and 15 seconds to 1/2000 on the A720is
#5.... The maximum iso shooting is ASA3200 on the G9 -- The max on the A720is is 1600-- big differance and very useable on the G9 because of the 12.1 MP reserve capability. Darkened photo ops become manageable using the G9 ,more so than the A720is..
#6....Both have a 6x optical zoom plus a 4x digital zoom capability -- The 4x Digital extra ,which can translate to a 24x magnification of a scene. Due t the 12.1 MP on the G9 the Digital Telephoto range will produce viable ,resolute, and well color staurated non blurry snaps ( must brace the G9 well) The A720is 4x Digital range is not nearly as useable ,as there is loss of credability in the Digital Tele mode, producing mostly unsatfactory results ( even on a tripod) It is the 4.1 MP advantage in the G9 that accounts for the differance and the useability of the extra 4x digital zoom aboard both digicams..
#7....There are 2 CUSTOM settings available on the G9 allowing you by the flick of the mode dial on top of the G, to INSTANTLY go to any setting you preselect.( removes at least 2 extra hand motions) and allows for effortless state of readiness for the photo ops you choose.The A720 is does not have the dual CUSTOM feature.
#8....The G9 has a diopter setting for its optical viewfinder. Allows correction for eye glass wearers, and brings the vision to 20/20 that you see in the optical view finder. The A720is has a optical viewfinder but NO diopter adjustment feature.
#9. Both are pocketable, the G-9 being a little bigger. Both have a auto gate lens cover. automatically shielding lens when not in use. Much better than the dinosour teethered dangling lens cap still used on alot of digicams( especially DSLRs)
#10.. The G9 uses a rechargeable battery pack- averages about 150 to200 shots per charge, depending on how much reviewing,erasing, slide shows,and Flash useage there is.. The A720is uses two(2) AA batteries. If you use LITHIUM only ,which is much easier on the micro processors on board the A720is,also .Lithium batteries will last longer and you can do 200+ shots using the same crietria of how much extra stuff you do besides straight shooting..to boot..
#11. Both digicams have a threaded notching encompasing the lens area- so you can my means of a adopter tube mount auxiliary booster wide angle and telephoto accessory auxiliary lens. You cna also mount filters and use the tube as a sun shield . Great possiblities ,unfortunately the G9 and the A720is use differant MM thread sizes ,so they are not interchangeable if you have both the G9 and A720is.. Both have good manual control features for creative overrides..
#12... The G-9 has Digic logic III and the The A720is has Digilogic II as part of the internal wizardry which helps a tyrol( would be wanna be photog ) produce better snaps - The differances show up in labortory testing , but in most cases are invisable to tyrols..
In conclusion , these are the salient features of both the G9 and the A720is when pitted in a comparison test subjectively.. I t should be enough info for you to make a choice. BUT if further research is your bag - then hop to it. Just remember you could be out there shooting , all the time you are driving yourself crazy with digicam specifications, labortory IN VITRO testing ,and the ilk ... Your personal In VIVO experience is what counts. , in the long run... Hal 5141
Now, in conclusion, again let me say I have touched on
usa.canon.com/consumer/cont... Notice: CCD Image Sensor Advisory (Updated 10/31/2006)
This Service Notice will update Canon U.S.A., Inc.'s previous CCD Image Sensor Advisory, dated October 6, 2005.
It has come to our attention that the vendor-supplied CCD image sensor used in certain Canon digital cameras and digital video camcorders may cause the following malfunction: When the product is used in recording or playback mode, the LCD screen and/or electronic viewfinder may exhibit either a distorted image or no image at all. While reports of this malfunction have been rare in the United States, we have determined that it may occur if the product is exposed to hot and humid environments.
Notice of Additional Affected Products:
As a result of our continuing investigation of this malfunction, we have determined that the 11 models listed below, in addition to the 16 models listed in our Service Notice concerning this malfunction, dated October 6, 2005, may be affected.
Affected products:
- Camcorders: ZR60, ZR65 MC, ZR70 MC, ZR80, ZR85, ZR90, ELURA 40 MC, ELURA 50
- Digital Cameras A60, A70, A75, A300, A310, S230, SD100, SD110, A40(*), A80(*), A85(*), A95(*), S1 IS(*), S60(*), S200(*), S330(*), S400(*), S410(*), S500(*)
*Models added as of Oct.31, 2006
Malfunction:
It has been confirmed that the connecting parts of the internal wiring of the CCD used in affected products may become disconnected, especially if the affected products are stored or used in high-temperature and high-humidity environments. If this occurs, the signal is not output from the CCD normally in Shooting Mode, which may cause a distorted image or the absence of an image. This malfunction can be confirmed on the LCD monitor screen during shooting. The same malfunction also appears on the recorded image.
Canon's Response:
Effective immediately, and regardless of warranty status, Canon will repair, free of charge, the products listed above exhibiting the above-mentioned malfunction if Canon determines that the malfunction is caused by the CCD image sensor. Canon will also cover the cost of shipping and handling in connection with this repair.
U.S. residents are kindly directed to contact the Canon Customer Support Center for further assistance at 1-800-828-4040. Support hours are Monday thru Friday - 8:00 AM to 12:00 midnight; and Saturday 10:00 AM to 8:00 PM (all times EST). Alternatively, if electronic support is preferred, please send your email to carecenter@cits.canon.com
This information is for residents of the United States of America and Puerto Rico only. If you do not reside in the USA or Puerto Rico, please contact the Canon Customer Support Center in your region.
We sincerely apologize for any inconvenience caused by this issue, and appreciate your understanding in this matter. Thank you for your support and patronage of Canon products.
This information qualifies your camera for FREE REPAIR of the failed CCD!
Enjoy, Larry
usa.canon.com/consumer/cont... click on "Compare Now" and drag each camera over to the chart.
Here's another useful comparison site:
dpreview.com/reviews/sideby... three of these cameras are great digital point and shoot cameras.
The S5is wins if you need 12X zoom or Flip and Twist LCD (really useful for high and low shots).
Both the S5is and the G9 have external hot shoe for external flash attachments.
The S5is is the heaviest and the SX100is is the lightest.
The G9 uses Canon's lithium-ion rechargeable battery and the other two take NiMH rechargeables.
The G9 has an optical viewfinder, the S5is has an electronic viewfinder and the SX100is has no viewfinder.
The G9 is a little more "pocketable" due to its shape and overall size.
They all have manual controls to "grow into" as you learn more about photography.
None of these cameras will zoom during video mode and neither will almost ALL other digital cameras.
From everything you have written, I think the S5is would suit you just fine if you don't mind its size and weight. (you must go to the camera store and feel them in your hands to be certain they will feel "right").
Best Wishes and Merry Christmas, Larry
The thing is that I am deciding only between the three digicams I wrote in my question. I am asking here (website) because I don't live in US, I live in South America and here, there is not much help about those cameras.
I appreciate a lot all the time you have taken to answer me.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
Cle
Thanks a lot for your answers. I have never heard about that fact of the Canon S400. I don't live in US, but bought my digicam at Amazon and it was sent to a US address, so be sure I will figure out how can I do to fix it.
About your answer, I appreciate the time you took to answer to my question.
I only want to explain some better.
Here in South America the cameras are more expensive than in the US.
All of them costs 100% more than in US, that means here it doubles the prices.
So I will buy one of them in US.
Do you think that the G9 will be difficult to use for me that I am an amateur?
I think the S5IS is big and heavy, but it is still a possibility.
About cropping pictures, I have Phoshop 7.0 in my laptop but never used it, I don't know how to use it.
Would it be better to buy the S5IS, because it has 12x optical zoom? Does it mean that I don't have to crop pictures if I want them closer? Hope you understand my english, so my question.
I always used my S400 in auto...Do you think that anyone can use the G9? I mean, I have never studied any photograph subject, but I want to know now.
Thanks again.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
Cle
2. Definitely the advantage to the S5is is having more zoom which allows you to actually see what you are photographing when it is farther away. With the G9 you can accomplish the same thing, but it is more work. With the G9 there are two choices for when you need more than 6X zoom. 1. You can use digital zoom which is equal to the S5is's 8MP but only up to 7.4X. Above 7.4X the S5is is better. 2. Also, you can take the picture at full 12 MP and 6X, then later use the computer to crop and enlarge. The only disadvantage to that is that when you crop the picture it is the same as throwing away some megapixels which limits how much you can enlarge the picture. In other words, the difference between the G9 and the S5is only really shows up if you enlarge the pictures bigger than about 8X10 inches.
3. About Photoshop 7.0. Don't worry about using it just yet. Instead, download Picasa2 which is free from Google. It will take care of all the basics you need such as cropping and enlarging as well as white color balance and over/under exposure. Picasa2 is useful for all three cameras. Later on you can move up to the RAW mode (G9 only) and Photoshop when you are ready for it.
In summary, The G9 is closer to a professional camera if you really want to go that far and learn as much as possible without having an SLR camera (VERY expensive). The S5is is a very close second place behind the G9 and actually beats the G9 on the zoom aspect. The SX100is is the cheapest one, the lightest one, but is still good if that is all a person can afford.
Let me know if I can help any more. I'll do my best for you. It is great that you have so much interest in learning more about photography AND you have access to the internet to get information.
Larry
The optical zoom on the Canon G9 ( digitalcamera-hq.com/digita... ) is going to be a lot better than the SD950 IS ( digitalcamera-hq.com/digita... ). If you're going for functionality over pocket size, I would pick the G9 ( digitalcamera-hq.com/digita... ). The longer zoom, manual focus settings, and large number of shooting modes make it more appealing to the more advanced camera user. Good luck and happy shooting.
Andrew
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Thanks, Larry
2GB and recently purchased a 4 GB ( ultra fast) S/D Card DISKS , 3 differant companies represented in these 6 differant S/D cards... The long and the short of it is: The higher you go in capacity , the more photos you can take on the one disK, BUT it is overkill-- We recently returned from a one week stay in Portland , Oregon on a visit to our daughter and family. Loads and loads of Photo ops. The Pittock mansion on one the hills overlooking Portland was all decked out in Holiday finery and featured a differant Disney cartoon character in each of its many many rooms.. Mt.Hood which looms over Portland is always a great photo op. The Thanksgiving day parade sponsored by Norstrom's department store was a hoot , on a much smaller scale than the NYC Macy Thanksgiving parade . A large indoor very ornate carosel was spectacular , A childs puppet show at The TEARS OF JOY puppet theater was a challange due to the low stage lighting and colored spotlites ( these colour your photos). The Imax theater presentation of Prehistoric creatures that were water borne.. The Child's museum of industry and Science (OMSI) with its hands on fluid exhibits. A night holiday light display at a local race car track . You stay in the car and drive thru slowly.. Our daughter's family English Bull dog "Lola" who is quite the ham ( likes to dress up in hats and coats) and last but not least our 2 very sweet and very pretty grand daughters ages 6 and 8... As you can see ,lots of photo ops here. Well, I was not scientific about it at all,BUT I did vary the cards. I took 184 photos w/ the ULTRA Fast 1 GB card -- 60 were erased before giving them to the Fugi 2 day print maker at Walmart , only 15 cents each for 4x6 glossys-cheaper than doing it at home and no time expended in this "TAKE OUT" processing method .. In addition I took 170 photos on the 2 GB regular speed card. I basically used the I GB ultra fast card for low lighting photo ops ( The puppet show and out door night scenes ) also took a few daylite flash and non flash shots just as a test. With 2GB regular S/Dcard disk I ended up erasing 30... All in all I saw ABSOLUTELY NO DIFFERANCE IN THE performance of either card. None that was dernable to a naked eye and NOT under the scrutinee of specific lab tests.. I had 15 of this number of a total of roughly 264 snaps enlarged to 5x7 as a gift to my daughter, mostly posed family shots using the self timer and the on board G-9 flash .. 264 photos printed out - There was space left for many more photos on both cards..NO noise or disernable aberations in any of them .No flare, no purpling , no indent lines . The 5 x7 's blew up to 5x7 format from the usual 4x6 glossys with no change what so ever in crispness and color saturation and resolution. I had the 5x7 next to the same 4x6 for comparison , and they looked identical in every way ,except for the larger format in the 5 x7.. I has the G-9 set on VERY FINE compression ( you have Very Fine ,Fine , and Normal as your 3 choices) ,because even though you get less photos on a Disk, your photos are more finite and well knit in the VERY FINE mode. The nature of the beast in the hi capacity S/D cards ( 1 GB and more) is such that you can not run out of space to take more snaps , even for a long photo session w/ many photo ops, such as I have described. AND what do you make of all this- Namely - The G-9 will meet any and all requirements due to its own sensible and adroit Micro processor system ( Canon calls it DIGIC logic III or close to that) The san disks and Canon S/D disks manufacturers are both reliable ( my lower 256 and 512 S/D discs are Kodak , a hold over from a 543 C Kodak P and S digicam I owned before deeding it to another grand daughter ( my son's 11 year old ) I kept the S/D disks and let my son spring for a new disk for her.. The average tyrol ( would be wanna be photog) will notice NO Major striking differances in any of the reliable S/D card disks used with the nifty G-9.. Comman sense tells you. The higher the GB's count the more photos you can take on one disk and in low light conditions (really low light) the ultra fast S/D disk MAY POSSIBLY perform better. As for what I saw. Both did well,..I have the succinct feeling, the digicam's ability to interprit a S/D card is the paramont criteria. Think of it this way- IS THE TAIL WAGGING THE DOG??? when you let the choice of S/D cards RULE your photo ops.. It is a essencial part of the general scheme to take decent snaps. On a level playing field, it is YOUR ultimate choice as to the capacity you feel you need and the extra speed that may POSSIBLY enhance your shots. This is SECONDARY to your using the G-9 in such a way as to produce interesting composition , with appropriate lighting and photos that will impact your viewers.. Never ever" PUT "the cart before the horse" .. Your photo equipment consists of the DIGICAM first, followed by a reliable brand S/D card.. In conclusion, everything i put in this narritive is subjective ( my own field experiences w/ the G-9 and 2 differant S/D discs.. It simply to me is " SIX OF ONE OR A HALF DOZEN OF ANOTHER" and nothing to be OVERLY conserned with-- Your G-9 will be the star of the show,regardless, of your choices in reliable brand S/D disks.. Now ,if you are a professional photographer and you delve into the mechanics of this Disk technology- you get PAID for your efforts...As a tyrol, it is a complete waste of time when you could be out there enjoying GOOD photo ops without burdening your mind with a lot of labratory factors. WHICH by the way are in VITRO tests( laboratory controlled ,not real world testing) - The real test is the IN VIVO performance ( real life photo ops) that you garner. Hal5141
If you don't shoot video or burst mode or RAW, you'll do fine with some 1GB and 2GB cards (say 2 of each) which are cheaper and only need to be Class 2.
It's primarily the video that requires the large capacity SDHC 4 and 8 GB cards because it really fills it up fast.
Its primarily the continuous mode and RAW that needs the high speed Class 6 aspect to avoid slowing the shot rate down.
Speed wise the video will not quite keep up on a Class 2 card so it needs Class 4 speed.
These are all based on data from the G9 manual pages 260 and 261 plus SDHC official specifications for memory cards and assuming continuous shooting rate of 1.5fps which also in from the G9 manual.
Larry
1. The Sony H-9 is not pocketable- a throw back to film plane SLR's - bulk is not a good P and S digicam quality. Folks who buy P and S digicams are USUSALLY looking to carry less bulk around ,ie..
2. The ancient tethered lens cap is present on the Sony H9- a nuceince , a hinderence to faster operation, and the easier missing of good photo ops ,because you do not have a automatic opening lens that is protected when not in use by a closed over gate.
3. Sony uses its own brand of card DISK ,unlike any other-- whereas the very ubiquitous( many manufacturers) S/D card disK is used in the G-9 - The Sony one will cost more , and is not always readily availailable ,even at digicam discounters locations.. The hi gigibytes and ultra fast renditions of the S/D card disks make it more versatile than the Sony offerings- The variations are greater w/ the S/D format.
4. There is a HOT SHOE on the Canon G-9- if you add a auxillary flash , you veritibly double your flash range. What good is 15X optical zoom power if most of it is out of the Sony H9's flash range..???
5. The 3 inch LCD read out on the canon G-9 is positively brilliant, has almost a 3-D effect-- works in all ,but the most brightest and darkest lighting conditions --AND you have a optical viewfinder to boot. AND that with a diopter adjuster for those w/ eye glasses and or less than 20/20 vision,it really clears thing up totally..
6. The G-9 is very easy to hold for VERTICAL shooting - Many digicams are tough to hold for VERTICAL shots. The user reviews ( see Amazon.com user reviews) for the Sony H9 point this out. In general ,the H9 is not as easy to hold Steady as the G-9 -- The G-9 is a little BRICK- firm grip comes natural with it..
7.The higher 12.1 MP makes for a lot of reserve power. This shows up when shooting in the zoom digiital extention. you can muster up 24x magnification max, using the G-9 at full tele compensation- If the shots are braced, and not necessarily on a tripod, they are acceptable ,even at this extended 24X. The proper settings allowing for the lght drop off you encounter as you zoom out, can easily be adjusted for ,with the G-9's manual capabilities.
8.Fast action ( such as kids who move fast) are addressed by a SCENE MODE in the G-9 especially for Kids and pets. You can increase the shutter speed most easily to capture fast moving things. The G-9 is truly a ACTION oriented digicam.
9.There are 2 CUSTOM setting MODES you can make, so you can have instantanious access to a photo op you may encounter. I have my G-9 set on Macro ( anything closer than 19 inches to the G-9 lens) and Self timer (at 10 seconds) so I can use any flat surface as a brace when shooting stationary items(landscapes,portraits,etc) this insures absolutely no movement on part of the digicam and makes for clear and precise snaps..You can choose what suits your shooting desires ,best.. One hand motion and you are set to go..
10. Finally- and as i said in the beginning, there is much more to the G-9 than i am reiterating here , but internally the G-9 has RED EYE REMOVAL, FACE DETECTION ( really works to brighten up faces),a working IMAGE STABILIZATION (is) factor, Digic III canon advanced technology . AND you can shoot at 3200 ASA and get decent resolution in a 4 x6 print - (the 12.1 MP helps in this situation) I have shot scenes in semi darkness, w/o flash and have gotten THE most acceptable results. Clear interpritations of the scene-- I was amazed ,as all the reviews say stay away from high ASA shooting if possible.. Of course, when you enlarge , there would be more chance of quicker pixilation (break down of photo quality) w/ hi ASA shooting. BUT for 4 x6 's ,WOW!!! unbelieveably decent..Dark rooms and scenes are now Bah humbug..
In conclusion, let me say , the $100 extra for the Canon G-9 cost, over the Sony H9 is a NO BRAINER - The G-9 is definately a more versatile and USER FRIENDLY digicam .. and P.S. just as a added bonus on the G-9 you can add auxiliary wide angle and 1.7x tele adopter lenses and filters, by means of adopter tube which is threaded on the outside rim of the lens. It uses smaller Filter mm ring than the Sony H9- less money, less to keep clean ,and less chance of breakage.. LESS WEIGHT --The tube also acts as a sun shade. How can you go wrong???hal5141
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Unfortunately, with the H9 getting a fast shutter speed requires using manual settings because all the auto settings (including Sports scene mode) go for high f-stops with SLOW shutter speeds! The H9 gives you no choice of compression level with only one fixed JPEG compression setting (which for many shots is too compressed). Lastly, the H9 has no external flash shoe and can take 4-8 seconds between flash shots.
In my view the Canon G9 wins this contest hands down. Not that the G9 won't take a blurred picture ever, but it has the wherewithal to stop the movement if so desired by forcing fast shutter speed with lots of light. You can put a Speedlite 580X flash on and use bounce flash to get nicely exposed pics of the kids with their movement frozen by the flash. Outdoors with plenty of natural light you can set a fast shutter speed and fire away.
If you think the H9 wins on zoom because it has 15X, just remember that the G9 has 12 MP so you can "waste" some of those MP in digital zoom (or crop and enlarge in your computer).
If you don't enlarge you pictures beyond 5 X 7, you probably won't notice any difference between these cameras in terms of picture quality. Beyond that the G9 will pull into the lead.
If you know how to prefocus the pictures (shutter button half-way down), the shutter lag time from prefocus to actual shot taken is very fast with both cameras.
I'd pick the G9 in a heartbeat.
Larry
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Best wishes,
Larry
Considering that the A650IS and the G9 are having almost EXACTLY the same lenses and sensors, what is it that makes the difference?? I know that being a top-of-the-line model the G9 is supposed to have better build,performance,and features, but going by the specs, the two are exactly the same when it comes to the basic components... So there's supposed to be no difference between the two... So is there ACTUALLY a difference?? If yes, then what could possibly be the reason for it? I am not an expert in this area, but this is what I could make out from the specs and reviews of the two models.... That they are supposed to be having almost the same PICTURE QUALITY...
There is no difference in macro between A650IS and G9. They both can handle focussing from 0.39inch (around 1cm). Talking about superiority of G9 does not seem to have any ground.
a satisfying one,none the less.. In the space of a informative briefing ,yet leaving out specs, secondary features,and the myriad small ( sometimes useful) things these three P and S digicams pocess , i have tried to give you a overview so,your discision making process will be enhanced.. Good luck - hal 5141
RAW + L is the RAW and JPEG setting. The L stands for large, and it is forced to the fine (middle) JPEG compression setting. Hope this answers your question. If not let me know.
Larry
Another stellar option in the Canon family is the SX100IS ( digitalcamera-hq.com/digita... ). It sports a 10x optical with 8 megapixels and the same image stabilization.
Both are top notch options.
I think James meant to write that You can NOT do better than the Canon G9. I have one and researched long and hard before purchasing it. I am very pleased with it. For me, the 6X optical zoom is sufficient plus if I want more I just crop and enlarge on my computer which further zooms it out (admittedly with pixel loss but with 12MP who cares). There is always a compromise with these values you have listed and I think the G9 maxes these out compared to the others.
Best Wishes. Larry
1. The 6x optical zoom may be elongated into the 4x digital zoom mode with photos taken of reasonable quality and not blurred as happens w/ some telephoto digitally taken shots.. Digital telephoto is notorious for BAD BAD imagery , not so the G-9..
2. The scens modes allow for bight light photos ( BEACH - SNOW) plus you can adjust the white balance and the exposure compension modes. These tweaks yield good photos with coloration in tact..
3. For flash exposure ,the hot shoe allows a approximate doubling of the flash range when you add a auxiliary flash..
4. For low light shots without flash - you can increase the ASA and Iso and stop down to 2.8F - you have a night scenes option in SCENES mode and you can leave the aperture open up to 15 seconds ( tripod only) plus the other manual creative ways of letting more light in to the photo.. great options missing in lots of P and S digicams .
5. You have a 3 inch LCD read out which can be seen undistorted from angles plus a a view finder ( w/ diopter setting for eye glass wearers or less than 20 20 vision folks) This viewfinder works when things are just to bright to use the LCD screen..
6. You can do a slide show, easily erase unwanted shots ,and change modes easily with a wheel on the back of the G-9.
7. you can add auxiliary booster lenses ,both tele and wide angle by means of a treaded tube that goes around the lens housing. You can mount filters on this tube and use it as a sun shade.
8.There is face detection technology and Red eye removal technology
9. Vertical shots are easy to hold ,as the G-9 works up end easily. lots of P and S digicams are not suited to easy holding for vertical shots.
10. the Lens retracts behind a mechanical gate that protects it when not in use. ,say vs. a DSLR digicam that uses a tether to hold on to a lens cap that must be handled manually to open and close lens opening
there is a lot more concrete reasons to invest in a G 9 but these 10 items are very primary reasons to respect the G-9 - a solid performer -hal5141
Cameras have improved year over year with the shutter delay issue. While this one is definitely an improvement, you will still see some delay. A good way to avoid that delay is to hold the shutter button half way down when you have the right focal length. You will see a faster reaction time when you push the button the remainder of the way. Another way to avoid the delay is to turn autofocus off, if you have that option. Good luck and happy shooting.
Andrew
The S30 is one of the first PowerShot models. You can find information on it here ( usa.canon.com/consumer/cont... ). It is an older 3MP camera, so the shutter delay is much longer on it.
Andrew
Just be sure. Someone died from using a counterfeit cellphone battery the other day that exploded in their face.
forums.dpreview.com/forums/...
Many of the people on dpreview have little technical knowledge and are happily ignorant about the hazards they carry around.
However, I saw at least one reference to SterlingTek.com, this business is reputable and mentioned in some "actually professional" photography forums. I have been using their version of the Canon BP511A for my 20D, 5D, & now 40D. They have some excellent batteries and chargers at great prices. They try to contract with the "better" Asian manufacturers, and have a reputation for quality that didn't come easy. Of course, they do also sell some of the ultra-cheap branded batteries that are a waste of money, but the SterlingTek brand is good, they save the best stuff for their own name.
So my question re the rating and pic quality.
Also, can you think of a better camera for me with IS, more than 3x optical, and a flip out back? Also, I found that the Canons I've tried take great pics with flash or using the macro mode. But my favorite subject is black animals who turn their heads away at the flash and who do not benefit from the human face preferred technology. I would love a digital with the equivalent of a 1.4 lens
Would I be better off with the G7 or a Nikon or ??
In that same range, I'd point you the G9 ( digitalcamera-hq.com/digita... ). It has IS, 6x optical zoom and shoots with RAW as an option. Pretty nice and highly rated camera.
I am used to having 35mm cameras with a much larger range of f/stops, so you can get sharp pictures in many light conditions My fav lens was an f14, and f11 on the other end. None of the digitals seem to have more than a few f stops. Any affordable digitals out there with really good lenses--and the flip out back?
I looked at the G9 and would have bought it in a heartbeat BUT no flip out back. The G7 has one, I believe, but then CostCo waved the A650IS boxed with a PIXMA printer for under $350 for the pair ... and with a six-week trial period.
So the box is home, but not yet opened...while I look for more input from this great group.
Marga
I have a disability that makes holding a camera away from the body in the usual way difficult. So yes, the flip-out screen--and a viewfinder--and IS--are all important to me.
Comments from anyone else who has a camera with these features will be most appreciated.
Marga
2. The Canon A650is was the top of my list until I held it and decided it was to large for me to carry around ALL the time, and I wanted a camera to have with me constantly. The G9 fits in my small fanny pack in which I have "everything". I also really wanted a flip out LCD for overhead viewing and such. I was surprised at how well I can see the G9 LCD when held at odd angles and even overhead.
3. If you have held the 650 in your hands and it works and feels good to you and you can see what you need to see, then my recommendation is to open that box and get started taking great pictures UNLESS the f-stop factor is really that important to you in which case you are going to have to consider a larger heavier camera (DSLR) or perhaps the Canon S5is. You will have to look sharply at the S5is in regards to f-stop range and other specs as I can not speak to that but it weighs only 16 ounces which is only a little more than the G9. DSLR's will get you the speeds and f-stops you want but at the cost of increased weight.
4. I think you are needing to go to the camera store and hold some of these types of cameras and see which are physically appropriate for you and your particulars preferences.
5. As a side note, I would suggest you start getting ready to make significant adjustments to the way you shoot since you are already very used to film and manual control of such things as depth of field which is tough to do even with the S5is, A650is or G9 for technically limiting reasons not the least of which is their very small CCD's compared to the SDLR's.
Let me know if I can help further in your search and good luck.
So far no one has talked about lens performance--although I liked Larru's talking about digital vs film and depth of field. Some of my best digital pics have had beautiful soft backgrounds--but unfortunately, I haven't yet learned how to control or pick the right modes for what I want.
Or maybe people just don't do the kind of tests we used to do on a new film camera or lens. Things like taking a shot of a newspaper pinned up at set distances from the camera. Looking for lens sharpness in how well you can read the newspaper, especially at the edges of the frame, where there may be distortion
If I had world enough and time, I'd Run the same sequence through the different modes, and variants on that. In the old days, we'd magnify a print to see how well the lens image stood up. Being able to do this in the computer is great. Yes, some things are better.
I'm not so sure that face-focusing technology is one of them. I photographed my black cat's beautiful face on a gray backbround, centering on the cat and shooting in portrait mode. Without a flash, I have a black blob. With the flash, I have no cat after the first firing as the cat flees. So far the best information I have is that you can't turn off the manufacuter''s choice of what is a face, although you can turn off the flash.
In the magazines, as in these asnwers, I find almost everything is now aboutt the weight and stuff you can read on the outside of the box in the store. But very few seem to take pictures with the camera and talk about its performance.
So I'm going to take Larry's advice and hope he gets the points--and maybe that someone will still speak about the subject of picture quality or refer me to sites that focus in [lol] on that
Marga
imaging-resource.com/PRODS/... is unfortunately a little soon to expect full reviews on the A650is since it was announced in August this year then recalled fairly quickly. (I think that is a good thing!) It then returned to stores around early November. Never the less, some review sites do have previews and initial opinions to help out.
dpreview.com has a nice camera specification comparison chart/database (just be careful to verify the data elsewhere before you make a decision because I have caught them in errors).
Try this review for performance opinion though not so much on the test images
digitalcamerareview.com/def... you have the time to wade through this one you'll learn a lot about the S5is, A650is and just about any digital camera out there
testfreaks.com/digital-came... a bonus site that is admittedly biased and completely maintained by one person and full of useful information for those, like me, who thought they knew enough about photography to take acceptable pictures
kenrockwell.com/
<...> will keep you busy for quite awhile. If you run out of something to read about digital cameras just Google on "digital camera reviews". There is a lot of data and test photos out there if you have time to dig it out.
Best wishes to you and good hunting
I didn't get to see your first post so I don't know what film camera you were using etc. Entering the world of digital can be very distressing especially going from film to digital AND from SLR to non-SLR at the same time. Is DSLR not an option for you? DSLR's have larger CCD's and are therefore able to push the f-stop from f8 on to f16 or so. f8 is the best I've seen on the non-SLR's. Also, you mentioned wanting a low end around 1.4 which can be had on DSLR's but not nonDSLR's which are typically 2.8 or even 3.5 at the wide end up to 5.6 or so at full tele.
I am convinced every person looking for a new camera needs some kind of encouragement to keep looking and digging past your first few "This is the one!" cameras. I am so very glad I did. I never would have chosen the G9 until I had "decided" on 3 previous cameras and then pushed onward to find reasons I wouldn't like each one and how I could do better. Going to the camera stores helps as does reading reviews and forums on the internet. I had to get totally overwhelmed with information and data two or three times and then work through making sense out of it all. It is ALWAYS a compromise because you have to give up something everytime you get something else whether it is cost, size, weight, speed, performance in various situations. So when you really think you are ready to make a decision on a camera then find out what that camera WON'T do that you want and see if there is one out there that will. The choices are so numerous that it takes much more time than you might think it should.
Just don't give up
The Cost=Co deal for this camera==packaged with a printer for about $350 with six weeks to try, is too good to pass up. Yet I see from your post I may well want a DSLR ASAP! But not until next year, when I have a better chance of having world enough and time.
Marga
Now back to the Costco deal. Like you said, it's too good to pass up. But you're not factoring in the cost of the ink cartridges and photo paper. That's why camera companies can offer great deals by tossing in a printer. In theory, they can make up for it with the cost of ink.
And thus the reason why only 20% of digital camera users actually print their pictures. And only a fraction of those print from home.
I'm going to try to find out if that stupid face focus and exposure nonsense happens in all the modes in the Canon cameras that have it. If so, I'll either have to get a new cat or a new camera. And I haven't time now to try to get Canon to answer, which would be the sensible thing to do.
I'm also going to explore better lenses without huge prices and camera bags. Zooms are always slower, so it is probably worth it to have a fast great lens without a zoom, if such is made in digitals with IS and adjustable viewing screens. Rather than fumbling with changing lenses as the magic moment passes, I'd rather get a shot or two--at least that's what I used to did, and my few award-winning photos were taken on the always-in-the- pocket camera because of that. So the grand or more grand camera and multiple lenses is not in my immediate picture, but in another lifetime ...
And thanks Larry for noticing the gold mine on this website. I'd missed it.
For some reason, I'm drawn to the Black Cat link. vbg
Marga The Pointless
#1---Pocketable , auto closing protective gate ,the lens goes behind automatically when OFF. easy to hold.
#2---21/2" LCD read out srceen , very brilliant. works well except in real bright light ( as all other digicams)BUT you have aview finder ,to frame subjecxts ,if you can not use your LCD read out. Many digicams are w/o viewfinders,so this is a big PLUS in the canon A720is
#3. There are enough Mps ( pixels ) to make decent enlargements , if you get ashot you want to enlarge.
#4----You can have the date imbossed in the lower right hand corner front of print automatically by choosing the POSTCARD mode . Most p and S digicams have not got this auto feature- must be added 9n the editing stages..
#5---here are SCENE modes which allow you to choose the optium settings w/ the flip of button. BEACH ( bright light) Night time photography , Indoor phorography, etc are all useful presets ,that help you to concenrate on compostion,beacause the proper setting will utilize the light conditions previlent..
#6---- There is a threaded outter ring around the lens which allows for a auxiliary wide angle lens and a auxilIARY
telephoto to be mounted. my means of a short tube increasing the lens capabilities. This tube also can act as a sun shade to prevent flare and light aberations. Also you can mount filters if so desired..Most P and S digicams have no such provision of auxiliary lenses..
#&. The Canon A720is has FACE DETECTION and Digilogic- things that enhanse photos of people in a very positive way.
#9----Only 2 double AA bateries are needed to power the Canon A720is. LITHIUM only ( not Alkaline) batteries produce very acceptable results..Akways havve a spare saet availbable for any photo shoot. These balithium batteries are easy to find at many locations, and the canon A710is has a LOW BATTERY icon to let you know when they are running low. Having AA disposable batteries saves plugging in ,rechargeable battery packs , which require time to recharge and a lot more hand motions..
#10. The image stablization feature ( is) works well , Canon has very good technology at work in the on going field of Image stabilization... The 4x optcal zoom ,when exrtended fully gets the advantage of this IS feature. The more you zooom, the less light you have on your subject , and therefore blurring is easy to occur, just from the slightest movement of the digicam. when the shutter button is pressed.. Canon IMAGE STABILIZATION works at all focal lengths to help steady a photo..
OK - there you have some basics.. There are a lot more, hidden technologically advanced features , to this nifty little digicam. Canon is a whiz bang company and always on the cutting edge of inovation .. Things change rapidily in the digicam market, each manufacturer trying to get the edge over their competitor - all I can say is CANON is not the the best seller in The world of P and S digicams without reason.. finally, when you calllCanon if you have a question about their offerings, usually a satisfactory answer is obtained, without their rep trying to snow you.. a goood support system--- And just as a added little goodie for the A720is. You can add a auxilary flash on a bracket bar.( attached thru the tripod socket on bottom. It acts as a so called SLAVE flash and increases the range of your on board flash. Light fall of occurs at about double the amount of feet , it would w/o this flash attached---(from the 13 ft. max to about 26 ft) Both flashes fire simultaniously. to accomplish this..Just another benefit showing the versitility of the canon A720 is.. hal5141
I was asking in this website about buying or not this Canon G9 and after all the reviews I read I decided to buy it, so my Canon G9 is really fantastic. I LOVE IT!!!
One more thing, the videos I took are really amazing too!!!
g9 and am wondering if I should get a longer life battery pack at the same time?
Then there is the issue of quality output & ease of use of the camera
Firstly, I'm assuming you're referring to the Canon G9, Canon S5IS and Sony DSC-H7 for my comparisons.
The G9 is so much more than a 6x point-and-shoot camera. Besides it's higher MP resolution (which will help in cropping pictures during post-processing... you can easily make a good 12MP picture into an equivalent 12x zoom during postprocessing without picture quality loss up to about 8x10", give or take). But the G9 also lets you capture pictures in RAW mode, fully uncompressed, for even more staggering picture quality... neither of the other 2 cameras will let you do that.
Also, the G9 is substantially smaller, making it easier to carry and less annoying. This is an added benefit you can't ignore. Also, the H7 is really only 13.3x zoom, not 15x (they measure from different reference points, which is misleading).
If you're looking for the best picture quality, the G9 is the best choice, and it's a camera you won't have to upgrade for a long long time. However, I have to warn you that, depending on what you plan on photographing, you may be frustrated with its (relatively) limited optical zoom. 6x zoom is good, but if you want to capture something from across the bay, you won't get much. You can post-process it, or preview the picture on the camera... but by that time the picture moment is probably gone.
If I were in your position, I'd get the G9 a few weeks before your trip, master the controls and make sure you know how to use everything you need, and shoot everything in RAW mode (buy a 4GB memory card!). You won't be disappointed. But it's vital you know how to use the camera before you go, including quickly previewing pictures. In fact, if there's a picture you don't want to miss, and you think you'll need to post-process it to enlarge the zoom... take several pictures of the same subject so you know you've got a good one. Peace of mind :)
Also---take at least one extra battery for any compact digicam on a trip like that, plus all the SD storage you can buy or borrow.
And as far as SD storage... a 2GB SD card can already take 500 pictures, and the 4GB takes 1,000 pictures. You don't need THAT much SD storage :)
Also, most of the actual camera manuals I have read online indicate that maximum flash speed is obtained only after a low level format IN CAMERA. Plus, they indicate that speed may deteriorate after storing and erasing a few times and a repeat low level format may restore the speed. Any one actually see this in real life?
Could you explain how the TZ3 is only optical 8X zoom. I got lost on that one. I thought it was 10X. Plus the 28mm wide angle would be great in the scenic mountains on his trip. Oh, perhaps you were pointing out that the zoom is only to 280mm vs 360mm or more on the others. If so, then I understand it now.
Thanks for your time and expertise.
PS After much wavering, I just bought a G9 today giving up on the wide angle for now. Maybe I'll pickup a wide angle down the road after I've got in sync with the G9 and find out if I really need it. You know I will :).
It is VERY true that memory card performance can start to suffer if you don't reformat your card. HOWEVER, it's also not good to continually reformat it a lot. And it takes quite a long time before you notice a performance hit. Reformatting it every few months is a good balance between abuse and negligence!
Congrats on the G9! Practice often to get used to its nuances, and the button layout and just to get comfortable with it. As much as I like the TZ3, the G9 is better at pretty much everything. And at nearly twice the price, I hope it would be! :)
I personally think the G9 is the better of the two for all around use despite not having the built in wide angle lens.
It just depends on what you need it for whether the extras (at a price, mind you) are worth it to you.
So, why pay more for the Cadillac if you can't really see the difference in the ride while cruising in the city?
But that doesn't mean a superzoom "doesn't make a lot of common sense." Digital SLRs are quite expensive. Between 800-1500 for a kit that has body, zoom lens, and maybe a bag. That cuts many people out of it unless they're planning on making photography into a big hobby.
And obviously, the snapshot crowd are happy with pocket size cameras which allow for convenient capturing of the moment in spite of the optical compromises in focal length that one has to make.
But what about those in the middle? Those who want to do more but aren't ready to make that $1000 plunge into an SLR? That's why SuperZooms exist. And that's why they CAN make all the sense in the world. Course, I'll admit that's an opinion.
Digital zoom, in MY OPINION, is a marketing consideration to give users the impression they're getting a better zoom capacity when that simply isn't the case. Relying on that digital zoom, you're turning a 12MP camera into a 3MP camera. Why pay over $400 for that?
The G9 has 12.1MP, a 1/1.7" CCD, 35mm-210mm 6x optical zoom, a fantastic 1cm macro zoom, 720P movie mode (albeit at 15fps), the ability to shoot RAW, a 3" LCD with 230K pixels, and is near ultracompact.
The S5IS has 8MP, a 1/2.5" CCD, 36mm-432mm 12x optical zoom, just as good of macro zoom, typical 640x480@30fps movie mode, 2.5" LCD (flip-out) with 207K pixels and a much bulkier body.
Between the two, there is no doubt the G9 will give you the better performance and better picture quality. Will it be a huge difference? Generally, no, but some conditions will give you noticeable better prints, especially if you're shooting in RAW mode. Of course, you're giving up the extra 6x zoom (which the G9's extra megapixels will be able to overcome somewhat). It's nice to see the G9 used the larger CCD as well, although it is cramming in a lot more megapixels, too.
It comes down to what type of camera you want to carry around. The S5IS is not a concealable camera and not something you're putting in your pocket (or even wife's purse, likely). With the G9, you're paying for compactness, but what you're paying for is pretty impressive.
If I had the money, I'd jump for the G9. The image quality will be better compared to the S5IS, in all lighting situations. The manual features of the G9 are a plus, the size is a big plus IMO, and the loss of zoom isn't a big loss.
My G3 is dying so I am looking to replace it soon. I want a camera for travel photography (Europe, the Pacific, perhaps a photo safari in the next year or two), portraits, and low light shots (places where you can't use a flash, as well as just capturing the effect of low light or night). I'm a bit concerned about weight, but more concerned about the viewfinder, zoom and LCD screen. I keep thinking that I would rather see 80% of reality (G9) than 100% of what the lense is seeing (S5), and that an optical viewfinder will be more reliable, but I have never used an electronic viewfinder, so I don't know. I got a bunch of filters for the G3 but never use them since the LCD is not good enough to see what they are doing; perhaps the newer ones are, and perhaps the electronic viewfinder would solve that issue. The S5 zoom is also alluring, but I have a long lens for my Elan 3e, and rarely use it. And I do like my G3's moveable screen, but I think I could give it up since the G9 appears to be overall the better camera. I rarely make prints -- I do slideshows for friends, but I hope to do a little more processing in the future; RAW is not very important to me.
So, a tough decision. I know there is a lot of debate about Canon's reasoning on their various product lines, but these two really have me stumped. Of course, as soon as I make my decision, they will annnounce a new model with eye control, which I have waited for all these years, but I can't wait since my G3 is on its last legs.
So, thanks again for highlighting a few important issues; any other insights will be more than welcome.
I heartily recommend as a first rate go anywhere camera.
robert buchanan
Larry
Conclusion
The Casio Exilim EX-V8 is a capable ultracompact ultra-zoom camera, but mainly outdoors. The 7x optical zoom lens is nicely stabilized and performs well for being such a compact lens. The YouTube video mode worked well and the stereo sound capture was a nice feature. Image quality was very good outdoors. If you need to use flash indoors, results weren't as good, with the weak flash and red-eye showing up way too often. Battery life was very good and the camera operated very quickly overall. If you're in the market for a compact ultra-zoom, definitely give the EX-V8 a look.
Pros
* Good image quality outdoors
* Effective mechanical image stabilization
* Nice stereo audio capture capability
* Quality build and finish
* Quick operation
Cons
* Auto white balance struggles in some indoor lighting
* Underpowered flash
* Noticeable barrel distortion
I currently have the Nikon Coolpix 5900 but was wanting to "upgrade". Is the indoor picture quality equal to or less than to the Casio I'm looking into... do you know?
Thanks again.
Curious that you're looking away from Nikon. Are you unhappy with that 5900's performance? You could just go to the next model, which is the P5100, comes with 12.1 megapixels, 3.5x optical zoom, and image stabilization. although for a little more money, you could go with the Canon G9 ( digitalcamera-hq.com/digita... ) and get RAW support and double the optical zoom as well.
I love my Nikon Coolpiz 5900, however, the battery door broke and I'm using tape to keep it shut. I was looking for a digital camera where I wouldn't need to remove the battery to charge it, so a docking station.
I love the ability record a movie too.
I was thinking the Casio because of the docking station, the higher resolution, the digital zoom, and it's movie making capabilities, but I could be completely off.
I still need good pictures of my kids... Also, I don't want a camera that uses AA batteries but has a good rechargable battery, and I need a camera that is ready to take pictures when I need it to, because my kids don't hold still for long.
In the $300 range, what do you suggest if I can ask?
What info can you give me about the Sony Cyber-shot DSC-T100.
Now, onto your question. Most Canon's have AAs, I believe. THe exception is the Canon PowerShot SD850 IS which has a LiOn powercell. I'm not much of a fan of SONY products, chiefly because of their obsession with painting their customers into a technological corner with proprietary technologies (that, and the premium you pay for the label SONY). And the look of the camera, though slim and compact, tells me that the lens is probably slower than it's more conventional point and shoot cousins. And probably less clear. IMHO.
The Panasonic TZ and FZ series gets good marks. They use LiOns.
More camera options in your price range can be found here ( digitalcamera-hq.com/digita... ).
After more research, and because I know I am happy with the Nikon I do have, I'm going to get the new Nikon Coolpix S510 or S700 ... leaning to the S700 with better MP, ISO, and closer Macro. But then again, the S510 is still really nice.
Any opinions about either one of those two?
I did talk to Nikon, they wanted almost $200 to fix the little broken piece, I'd rather use that money to get a newer and better digital camera.
Thanks for all your input, but now I'm so confused on what to get.
I have kids, they play sports, so I want a compact digital camera that can take quick pictures w/o blurr, doesn't weigh a lot, has a movie mode, at least 8 MP, and at least a 3x zoom, although more is nice too.
Here's our list of 8MP cameras ( digitalcamera-hq.com/digita... ). My recommendations of Canon, like Hal's, still stands.
Ok, ok, I'm now leaning towards the Canon A720IS.
I've never had a Canon, and I've read good reviews and a few bad reviews about it (long recycle time if you use a flash), but, overall, it sounds really good for what I'm looking for. And the zoom is definetly better than the Nikon Coolpix S700.
Can either one of you tell me why I should do the A720 IS instead of the SD850 IS?
Which one is better?
Hal's personal experience would tend to add even more weight to the A720IS, IMHO.
I'm going to give Hal the credit, not because James didn't answer it either, but he has more points.
You both were helpful, although I still am not sure what I'm going to get, but I didn't like the 720... long flash recycle and to big for what I'm looking for.
If anyone else has any input on what I should get, or look into, please let me know.
I want at least 8 MP, 5x+ zoom, although I'll make do with 3 (I guess), IS, movie mode (with optical zoom if possible), manual controls, and smaller than the 720.
Thanks again Hal and James!
more disruption of your finished photo than any other consideration. Now, I at 78 years old may be more subject to this problem , than a younger tyrol (would be wanna be photog)BUT, I truly believe .- SHAKE by any photographer,no matter how far away they may be from aging ,parkinsonlike flutters, caniption fits, or jitters IS a deterrent to good photos. lotsa of us like to blame the camera for this, AND it is most easy to do so when using ultra slim , teeny weeny digicams. It is not worth the added problem of steadying a small ultra slim, when you can negligise it some what by going to a pocketable contoured Digicam.. AND one correction , I must make on the new Canon 720is , I t does not take 2 AA batteries like the A710is it replaced, BUT rather 4 AA batteries-- Not the best solution in upgrading a model, espesically when size and weight are affected- This supposedly makes for better recycle flash time, more power to the sensors, less battery wear,etc,etc..-- BUT does it??? Canon says so-- but the canon A710 is it replaced did well on battery consumption w/ only 2 AA Lithiums on board shutter lag was at a minimum, and flash recycle time w/ fresh lithium batteries was acceptable.. You can drive yourself bonkers w/ alll the stats and wizardry modern digicams can generate- In the long run,it is the way the camera feels in your own mits that counts. AND keep in mind vertical ,as well as the tried and true horizonal photo ops, have to be made , so you should test both HOLD positions when researching a camera in person.. WHICH by the way is the very best way to tell if a digicam is right for you.. hal5141
The camera I have now, Coolpix 5900 (love it), it's the perfect size for me. My pictures turn out great, as long as I know how to work the controls and scene modes (Sports sometimes get blurry, especially when I don't use sport mode).
I would love to keep it, but the battery door is broken, and I have to use tape to keep it closed - not good. It has IS, which helps, and when my pictures are blurred, it tells me they are blurry (duh) and I have the option at that time to keep it or delete it.
I've never had a canon, always a nikon or kodak, so I'm still considering going with a nikon since I haven't had problems with how my pictures turn out, portrait or landscape. I love the option of having the manual controls, because I hope to learn how to use them someday, as the new nikon has options still.
The nikon I'm looking at is the Coolpix S510, can't find any reviews, but the store I'm consiering ordering it from, has a 10 day return policy, if during that time I don't like it, I can return it, no questions asked. They also have a great protection plan that covers everything but fire and theft... so if my children throw it to the ground, or drop it in the toilet, I'll get a new one, not it refurbished.
Thanks again for all your input, we'll see what this one does, and I'll let you know how I like it.
The Nikon Coolpix S510 is a decent little compact for everyday shooting and will satisfy those happy snappers who just need a camera for going out and looking good with. The flash range is great and coupled with the metal body, high ISO capability and image stabiliser suggests it is geared up for going out with.
I'm kind of interested in their P series too... I know they are bigger than what I'd like, similar to the canon one, but they seem really nice. What is your opinion on their P series? I was looking at the P50 and P5000.
Still, it gets a 7/10. Not too bad. But I think there's better choices out there.
I know you two mentions the S720IS, but it took a long time to take a picture with the flash, and with it being used mostly indoors, I'm sure that would really bother me... especially with my kids in constant motion.
Maybe I should just pay to get my battery door fixed on my nikon, still though, that will cost me around $170.00 - so says Nikon, and to me, it would be better to invest another hundred or so for a new better digital camera.
I can't seem to find anything comprable to what I have now.
3.5 x 2.4 x 1.4 (perfect size, not to big or to little)
5.3 oz f2.8-4.9 1/2000s
7 elements in 6 groups (scene modes)
Manual controls
And the videos look nice when I view them on my computer.
It doesn't have the manual controls that I would like to experiement with (apature/shutter)
I read a review about the Sony cybershot DSC T-100, but it sounds like it's video mode sucks. Kind of hard to compare it to what I have now since you can't take it home and view the video at home. Not just that, but does it have manual controls?
Well, I guess I'm stuck then. UG! Just getting myself frustrated, and I shouldn't
1. Prefocus. Hold down the shutter half way to get a prefocus of the image you're shooting. When it changes, prefocus again. This will speed up your camera's performance during picture taking since it won't have to autofocus before it shoots the shot.
2. Use faster SD cards. Yes, there are faster cards and it does make a difference in writing the image file to the card. This is especially key if you're taking multiple or burst images.
3. Fresher batteries. Use alkalines at least. But I recommend using high energy batteries designed for digital photography. Varta is a good brand. They are usually sold in camera shops, are long lasting (because they are sold in small quantities) put out alot of energy.
4. Shoot in "sports" modes when you're in situations that require action. Night or available light modes when in night time settings. These presets can help in speeding up your shots, rather than the camera taking a split second to evaluate the conditions of the lighting.
5. Pan with the action. You can create some pretty cool shots by panning with your shot, focusing on your subject. This will create the effect of your subject in sharp contrast to the blurry background.
6. Use a flash - even in day time. This will "freeze" the image and cause your subject to "pop" in the shot. However, flash is only designed for limited range and can dissipate outside of about 20-25 feet unless you're using a zoomable flash.
7. Stick with 100-400 ISO. Going higher will cause more noise/grain in your shots, particularly in darker settings.
Doing these, particularly #s 1 & 5 can reduce your shutter lag by as much as 80%.
Perhaps, in your case, you may want to repair it. If you're extremely happy with it. I'd guard against SONY as you will have to reinvest in memory cards since Sony uses a proprietary memory stick. That means all those SD cards you've bought will need to be replaced.
Have you looked at Canon?
I have been looking into those two because I really want the manual controls. I love how you can change the apature speeds, etc to make water look frozen or like silk, but don't want to invest in an SLR. Does that make sense.
The Canon's I was looking at the A720 IS, SD870 IS or SD850 IS.
I liked the SDs because they wern't as heavy, but I think the A series has the manual controls. ... I'm not to sure though.
Also, do shutter speeds really matter. 1/1600 or 1/2000?
Which one of these 3 do you think is the best for children/sports, indoor lighting.
And is the A720 really slow when using the flash?
Of those three, though, I'd go over to Canon's website and compare them ... go to the product page for any of the three and click "choose the right product" on the right hand corner. Then select product comparison. You can then drag all three together and view their features side by side.
Frankly, there's not a dime's worth of difference except for the manual features and the longer focal length of the SD870 IS.
As for faster shutter speeds really mattering ... only when you really need them like for those sports shots.
As for the A720 being slow when using flash ... it may have a longer flash recycling time but that's usually due to having a stronger flash capacitor which is a good thing, IMHO. There are ways to improve your performance and speed up your camera. Most of it is simply changing the way you shoot with it:
1. Prefocus. Hold down the shutter half way to get a prefocus of the image you're shooting. When it changes, prefocus again. This will speed up your camera's performance during picture taking since it won't have to autofocus before it shoots the shot.
2. Use faster SD cards. Yes, there are faster cards and it does make a difference in writing the image file to the card. This is especially key if you're taking multiple or burst images.
3. Fresher batteries. Use alkalines at least. But I recommend using high energy batteries designed for digital photography. Varta is a good brand. They are usually sold in camera shops, are long lasting (because they are sold in small quantities) put out alot of energy.
4. Shoot in "sports" modes when you're in situations that require action. Night or available light modes when in night time settings. These presets can help in speeding up your shots, rather than the camera taking a split second to evaluate the conditions of the lighting.
5. Go manual. If you are manually focusing, particularly in darker settings, you can constantly refocus the image as things happen. Also, the infrared does have a range and if your image is out of that range you can end up with the camera's "best guess" or infinity setting which may not help. You can also go manual on fstops and shutter speeds as well, getting more light faster when you choose.
6. Go with a shallow depth of field.
7. Pan with the action. You can create some pretty cool shots by panning with your shot, focusing on your subject. This will create the effect of your subject in sharp contrast to the blurry background.
8. Use a flash - even in day time. This will "freeze" the image and cause your subject to "pop" in the shot. However, flash is only designed for limited range and can dissipate outside of about 20-25 feet unless you're using a zoomable flash.
9. Stick with 100-400 ISO. Going higher will cause more noise/grain in your shots, particularly in darker settings.
Following these tips - especially #s 1 & 7 will drop your shutter lag by as much as 80% and give you a better chance of catching that action shot.
I have really appreciated your feedback !
Will the siz/megs and quality me good enough?
8 X 10 X 90000=7.2MP. Obviously, some more art oriented pub's could require higher numbers, but this is typical.
Here's a nice chart to use if you like visuals instead of calculations.
design215.com/toolbox/megap...
My need if for a simple to use camera that will take shots that are suitable for producing good quality pics say a published book. I travel into the countryside and want to snap landsacpes and wildlife and insect pics. My biggest concern is that if I buy a cam that is not capable of giving an editor the right megapix ect they would say - nice pic but no use!!
I was thinking bof something like a Canon SX100 OR S5 1S. Weight would be a factor too hence the interest in just one cam with no expra lenses. I also looked at the Canon S3 1S but that is only 6 megs (t'others being 8 meg) so would that be enough to make a book/mag editor smile? Forgive my naivety but I need spoon feeding here I reckon. Like I say, I dont want to spend 12 months running around the land snapping away happily only to be told later by an ed that the pics are not good enough via the quality. I had thought of an enrty level DSLR but may not need such a weapon? All very confusing to me!!
In a nutshell - would the cams I mention get me the quality of pics to suit a fussy book ed?
If the poster means that a lot of junk is marketed as "digital camera accessories," that's a different point entirely.
You can get add-on filters (UV, polarizers, colors, special effects), which are indeed a lot like sunglasses. Of course those make "cosmetic" enhancements to the image. But you can also get telephoto and wide-angle auxiliary lenses for cameras, both digital and film. Adding a telephoto auxiliary lens is like looking through a telescope with your Rx glasses on.
You can't improve the quality of the camera's optics (image sharpness), but you can certainly change the total magnification.
However, to get back to the Original Poster's question, the quality of an auxiliary lens (or filter) matters because if you put a bad piece of glass in front of a good lens, you're going to decrease image quality. Using the Rx glasses analogy, if you put on your clip-on sunglasses and the lenses were wavy or smudged, you would notice this. Likewise, if you look through a poorly-made telescope or magnifier, objects will look distorted. So if you buy a low-quality filter or lens attachment, it can lower your image quality.
I googled and found a site with reviews of various auxiliary lenses for another camera. Since I think the manufacturers use the same optics (or at least the same design/manufacturing), this should be helpful.
cs.mtu.edu/~shene/DigiCam/U... don't own any auxiliary lenses, but I attended a workshop this summer taught by Rob Sheppard (Outdoor Photographer) and Bob Krist (National Geographic), who have used them and discussed them in class. Most wildlife photographers use 1.4x or 1.7x lens multipliers on their SLR lenses at least some of the time. (2x cuts down too much light--keep that in mind with a 3x.)
What kind of accesories would someone recommend?
I will be taking night action shots and indoor athletics anything else I should know ?
And besides, if you pay by credit card, often credit card companies offer a feature where the warranty is extended as a benefit of being a card holder. So that's an option worth looking into.
As for accessories, obviously you want a camera bag, extra sd cards, maybe even an ac adapter (although that's certainly optional). I'd also recommend a USB card reader. It's much easier than trying to sort out crappy drivers and bloated sofware. A card reader is about $10 and will cause your sd card to be read as a drive on the PC. Then it's a simple drag and drop.
As for shooting sports shots, there are a few tips for you:
1. Prefocus. Hold down the shutter half way to get a prefocus of the image you're shooting. When it changes, prefocus again. This will speed up your camera's performance during picture taking since it won't have to autofocus before it shoots the shot.
2. Use faster SD cards. Yes, there are faster cards and it does make a difference in writing the image file to the card. This is especially key if you're taking multiple or burst images.
3. Fresher batteries. Use alkalines at least. But I recommend using high energy batteries designed for digital photography. Varta is a good brand. They are usually sold in camera shops, are long lasting (because they are sold in small quantities) put out alot of energy.
4. Shoot in "sports" modes when you're in situations that require action. Night or available light modes when in night time settings. These presets can help in speeding up your shots, rather than the camera taking a split second to evaluate the conditions of the lighting.
5. Pan with the action. You can create some pretty cool shots by panning with your shot, focusing on your subject. This will create the effect of your subject in sharp contrast to the blurry background.
6. Use a flash - even in day time. This will "freeze" the image and cause your subject to "pop" in the shot. However, flash is only designed for limited range and can dissipate outside of about 20-25 feet unless you're using a zoomable flash.
7. Stick with 100-400 ISO. Going higher will cause more noise/grain in your shots, particularly in darker settings.
I agree that they are a lot of profit for the stores, but when you need it....
PS I don't work for a camera store nor do any of my relatives or friends. :)
Another thing. if you purchased it with a credit card, and the camera's original warranty is expired, you may have extended warranty time as a perk of the credit card you used. Making buying an extended warranty even more frivolous. Course, IMEHO, of course.
This camera seems to be a top of the line camera in its class .
I am going to buy the Canon G 9. Is the warranty worth the extra expense ?
What kind of accesories would someone recommend?
I will be taking night action shots and indoor athletics anything else I should know ?
I personally believe in spending the money on a good camera and not the extended warranty. Then take really good care of it including a case and a strap (neck or wrist).
Regarding accessories in addition to the protection devices:
I suggest using the camera as is for a little while and take lots of pictures in lots of conditions. Then buy stuff you really need and are ready to try using such as a flash unit, a gray card, the adapter and wide and tele lenses, extra battery, really big and fast SD card.....
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I have not tried either camera just doing research but got some good information from Hal51 I believe. He recommended the
G9 over the s5is. Newer model and more bang for the buck. I do not believe he has a G9 but has been doing some research.
He answered some of my questions.
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If you want the ability of a dSLR in the (nearly same) size of an ultracompact, the G9 (or earlier models, if you can find them cheaper) is a great, if not the only, way to go. The other cameras hal suggested, the A710IS for instance, are also good, but you may be disappointed by their sluggish performance.
It depends on your pricepoint, STEVE. If you can afford the G9, go for it. If you want a cheaper camera and don't mind giving up some of the features of a more expensive camera, the "A" series from Canon are a good way to go, as well.
Note: Most ultracompacts have the scene mode for looking through glass. Some call them differently (mine calls it "Aquarium mode" for instance).
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just some ti,nkering here anmd there ,but the same rules apply. The MAIN rule is shoot the action closest to you and action that is well lighted..this will give your photos some impact and not just run of the milll snaps.. Hal5141
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If the majority of the pictures are daytime shots and not at night would the cnon G-9 still be the camera of choice over the Canon S5is ?
This is the kind of information I was looking for ! The G-9 is about $100 more but it sounds like it is worth it !
If you have any more tips I would love to hear them.
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Rama
Thanks again!!
Rama
How about awarding Laurence the points for the good answer for your question?
One thing to watch for: When the zoom is fully extended, the lens barrel will be visible from the optical viewfinder-that bothers some-I personally am OK with it-it just takes some getting used to.
Consider whether any of these replies answered your question and if so go ahead and award some points. If not let us know how we can help you further on this topic. Thanks.
Also the G9 has face-detection, part and parcel of the Digic-III processor. The larger LCD will be easier to use.
A much better camera, for a lot more money, and beautifully designed and balanced. What's not to like?
But, as James points out, for postcard prints? If all you do is make 4x6 prints, you will rarely see any improvement. A few shots might have better focus (e.g. on faces) and possibly some shots might have better exposure (with the Digic-III chip). IF you are doing PC-editing prior to going to WalMart for prints, THEN you would be able to take advantage of the extra megapixels, via heavier cropping.
(James, it's always good to chat w/you) Agreed: When one hears "snapshots" one thinks of a spur-of-the-moment shot of two or three friends, or of a baby with a new toy. Not much cropping needed there! But Hal might indeed travel often, and hence might want to do heavier cropping of, for example, a photo of a far-off church or an animal in the wild. Naturally such animals are wary, and they make it tough to get up close to them. So the ability to crop more might be useful to Hal, in effect improving the telephoto ability of the camera.
Face detection: Everything that I have read about Canon's system is that it is flat-out STUNNING.
Undoubtedly, the larger LCD will drain the batteries faster. That fact will be ameliorated, though, by the Digic III chip, which operates with faster/better throughput, and thus should save a bit on the battery usage (as compared with the Digic II chip). IE the NET electrical usage might be greater, but less than if the 3" LCD were using the older Digic II chip.
For that response. I also had (still have) the FE2, and remember how much the darn SLR bag weighed. Digi-cameras are so much smaller, and lighter, it is great!
But that brings up another point. Yes, the G9 and the whole raft of cameras are very handy, and certainly easy enough to carry around (without a neck strap!). I have found that the super-slim cameras are also advantageous (although not as powerful as their 'pocketable' cousins like the G9 and the A640). The quantum leap from the large bag of SLR 'parts' to the G9 is similar to the jump from the pocketable G9 to the superslim models like the Canon SD-series or the Casio cameras.
I have the first super-slim camera, the Casio EX2. I was able to slide it into the pants of my tux outfit, when we went to a black tie affair a year ago. Yes, quite a limited camera now, but I wouldn't have carried anything else to that affair. So I was able to have a camera with me all evening, without any bulge in the clothes. So smaller is sometimes worth giving up the powerful features.
We were in Quebec city last September, and we had a blast. I alternated cameras; sometimes I carried my Canon A710, and other times I carried a Canon camcorder---I like to make movies on the PC. Yes, as you point out, what a relief to be able to pocket both---and ENJOY the trip!!!! Well said.
Rich
Sorry to hear about your disappointment.
Guess what? This new printer I bought recently ADDS the date of the photo automatically (I didn't even ask it to). In fact, the added date is small enough so that it is not obnoxious. I suppose I could turn off the feature, but really there is no need since it is not distracting. A printer like this would be one way to get the auto-date printing you wanted.
The printer is a Canon MP470, I think it is called a Pixma. It does the print, copy and scan routine. I don't use the scanner, but I do use the copy feature once in a while. Of course, there are other printers with more or less features than this one, although this was not expensive---I think I got it for $79 on sale, I think $99 regularly.
And you don't need a PC---you can plug in an SD memory card, or you can use the cable to connect the camera to the printer. It even has a tiny LCD screen to view photos.
Rich
We went to a local Thanksgiving parade, we went to a kids science museum and to a friends home. All very good photo ops.,AND guess what- I absolutely adore the G 9- to heck w/ the POSTCARDS mode being missing. The digicam is just the greatest and it is a very small price to pay ,not to have the imprint feature,when the G-9 has so much else. Let me give you just a very few of the things I have so far uncovered, AND I know I have along way to go to really utilize its capabilities fully.. Here are just 10 outstanding features, please know there are many many more,which I have found and there are still more unfound.. #1-- The 3inch LCD is sparkingly - full of deep penitration saturated color. A pleasure to view and review.. #2 the review feature is oh so easy to use. You do not have to turn the G -9 on to use it. Just push the review button on the back - the lens remains sequested and you review by pushing on the sides of the dial wheel. also .the dial wheel gives you short cuts to many modes- it is sensitive to the touch, and it takes a little practice not to overshoot your intents,BUT it is a simplification that really works..speeds things up..#3. a big suprise indeed-- the digital zoom of up to 4x which takes place after your 6x optical zoom capability is maxed out , is really a workable potent magnifier ,which is not blurred or hazy but razor sharp- The image stabilization feature created clear crisp renditions at the fully extended optical/digital tele setting. Unbelieveably good. The LCD readout says this IS 24x ( I guess the 6x optical multiplied by the 4x digital is 24X) anyways, it is magnificent in the digital area/ All the other digicams i have owned, did not perform well in the digitial zoom mode.so this is a gigantic plus and adds LONG tele capability to the G 9...#4. The C 1 and C2 modes on the dial on top of the G -9 allow you to set two favorite shooting modes ,so you by pass the menus and about 3 extra hand motions..I set C 1 to Time release (10 seconds) and C 2 to Macro, which is good for any shot closer than 9 inches away.. Gosh is that ever convienent --Really a great feature.. #5. The flash range at 35mm (wide angle setting) is about 17 feet. I purchased a inexpensive generic copy the Canon speed light , by Bower, placed in the hot shoe, it doubled the flash capability range to about 32 feet before there was light fall off. did this in a darkened long hallway ( about 35 feet long) and the results were amazingly good.. Shot with the Bower in TTL mode and the G-9 in auto mode . both flashs went off simultaniously..#6. In a very darkened situation I put the ASA setting wheel ( it is separate) on the the G 9 to HI indent , and wow.. Took a photo in adarkened room of a framed photo 20 feet away and it casme out clear and very seeable. The same photo set at the AUTO indent was muddy and and undesernable- simply outstanding, really---#7. I used SCENES ,easily gotten to on the rotating wheel on back ,and easily changed for some Pet shots, children shots, and Indoor (under incondescent lighting) shooting. Perfect results,BUT you must remember to hold the the shutter down half way to focus, before shooting . Thwe differant SCENE mode venues are oh,so easy to use ,turning the wheel dial on the back of the G-9.. #8.The face detection,shows up as a momentary green box around the face or faces , the result is a brightness and complextion hue, that seems hilighted...nice feature. I took a shot of daughter holding her black cet , and it is contrastingly sharp and diliniated ...#9.. The dioper on the left side of the view finder corrected any aberation for this eye glass wearer- crystal clear 20 -20 vision thru it.. and #10.. Vertical shots are a breeze. Unlike many other digicams ,turning the camera on end felt just as good as having it horizontal- It can be steadied with ease with either horizontal or vertical gripping.. A really neat trick ,because all too many P and S digicams do not lend theirselves to good Vertical hold.. An dso , my initial skeptism and unhappiness has dissapeared, and the little machine has earned my respect , even at this early date in my ownership experience. I final note. I wished to maintain the pocketability of the G-9 , so I did not attach the shoulder strap that came with it.. I instead opted for the wrist strap, which works really well. Attach it to the left side bracket , for easier use. I am sure as I get even better aquainted with this GEM of a digicam , my repect for it will grow.hal5141
Glad to hear this is working out for you. By the way, because of the large 12 MP CCD, the 4x DIGITAL zoom on top of the 6x OPTICAL zoom (for the total of 24x) is the equivalent of a true 24x OPTICAL zoom mounted on a 3 MP camera.
Explanation: Quadrupling the zoom 'digitally' simply means that each existing pixel is magnified 4 times. Hence 12 MP/ 4 = 3 MP.
Of course, 3 MP is not very much on modern cameras, but it is plenty for good resolution for 4x6 prints. Thus I can understand why the total of 24x zoom works out for you.
Just imagine what a 24x tele lens sitting on Canon digital-SLR would cost you! Assuming a 'normal' lens is 50mm, the 24x version would then be 1200mm! Three online retailers sell the Canon 600mm IS lens for over $7,000. The 2x tele converter (needed to get 600mm up to 1200mm) adds another $500, for more than $7,500.
This underlines what a great value these modern digitals are, when they have 6x or more of optical zoom.
Rich
This is why I also council people to ignore the digital zoom ratings. They are purely a marketing ploy . One in which people often fall for. And the results aren't worth the hype.
I realize that a long tele is hard to "hand hold". Exactly why the pros with all the white Canon 600mm lenses at sporting events have their rigs on tripods. But I disagree with your contention that digital zoom causes camera shake to be more pronounced.
There really is no difference in the "shakiness" that the movement of a camera and lens might incur, whether the camera is doing pure 24x optical, or a combination of 6x optical and 4x digital. (Neither one, without either a tripod or some form of image stabilization, can be expected to produce non-blurred photos on a consistent basis.) But the 24x is simply magnification, and that 24x factor magnifies any camera shake 24 times more than would be present if the camera were set on 1x mode. This is regardless of whether digital zoom was employed.
But the point is moot, since as Hal points out, the IS system on his G9 is working well enough.
I agree that a few years ago, digital zoom was pretty much hype. Optical zoom was immensely better, particularly on the smaller CCDs, such as a 3MP camera. A 4x digital zoom cut that 3MP down to .75MP---not much resolution there!
But now that many cameras are in the marketplace with 8 - 12MP, digital zoom is a nice addition to the photographer's tool box. Cutting the effective MP from 8 to 2 via 4x digital zoom will allow decent small prints like 4x6s. But of course the photographer cannot really blow that resulting 2MP photo up to an 11x14, because of the pixellation problem. So for every advantage there is frequently a disadvantage.
Rich
Thanks for the update. I might be getting a newer camera sooner than I expected. My Canon A520 bit the dust this morning. Although I still have the A710, which is still working.
My Mother just bought a Canon SX-100 (only a week ago) I hope she likes it.
You may have gotten good results on Mount Hood. I've been there and it's fairly easy to do in sunny weather. But what about low light conditions? Like I said, I can't dispute you are satisfied with your G9. A hell of a camera. But clearly this is a case of "your mileage may vary."
However, I would prefer to leave the date printing to the printing stage, using a pictbridge compliant printer or a simple date printing software.
The reason being postcard mode takes picture in low resolution which defeats the purpose of buying a high megapixel camera.
Both the G9 and the SX100is will take equally great family photos and landscapes. I think your main factor there is wide angle for the landscapes and these cameras are basically equal there. If you want wider pictures the G9 has a panoramic stitch function which will combine several photos right to left or left to right making a very wide landscape view. I'm not certain if the SX100is will do this but you can look it up on the canon.com website to be certain. Any good camera with ability to zoom to at least 100mm (35 mm equivalent) will take optimum portraits of individuals. So both of these cameras fulfill that requirement. If you are taking large group shots that is more like taking a landscape in that you want a wide angle for which these cameras are not great but they are good and equal.
Hope this helps. Larry
Canon Powershot G9 Reviews
Canon Powershot G9 Reviews by Digital Camera-HQ Users
- 4.0 out of 5
This is the best camera that I've ever owned WHEN IT WORKS! There MUST BE a "design flaw". This is the 2nd G-9 that has had this problem! When I needed it most, it failed to power up. The 1st time, I returned it to the store & it was replaced. The next time, the store (Circuit City) had gone out of business. Luckly, I had purchased the extended warranty and Precision Camera took care of me. However they returned it with a dent on the body that was not there when it was shipped. Otherwise, I love the capacity of the camera.
- 1.0 out of 5
I am a professional photographer so I know I'm biased when it comes to image quality, but this camera needs a bigger sensor for how many megapixels it's holding. Even at iso 100, the photos were still pretty noisy, and indoor photos with flash are intensely yellow regardless of what white balance or compensation you use. Even if it gets the faces the right color, it turns the background yellow if you're anywhere near a light. I get better photos out of my point and shoot that cost $99.
Pros are:
It's built well, shape is nice, looks professional, interchangeable lenses.
Cons: the camera itself.
- 2.0 out of 5
This Camera could not focus probably when the light was not ideal. The LED screen also misled me to think the subject was in focus when it wasn't (I don't need glasses). Otherwise it was had such great features that it was a disappointment to have to return. However, at that price range you shouldn't be buying a hit + miss camera. BTW don't rely on reviews on DP site cause a lot of the reviewers work for the camera companies and are very biased.
- 4.0 out of 5
Don’t buy this camera if you want something small and simple. Do buy it if you want a wide range of features and RAW format functionality.
I love my DSLRs and, like many amateur photographers (I suspect), I’m something of a control freak, which rules out my picking up a compact or point-and-shoot because I’m given little or no say in what I do. I also despise the long, long, long shutter lag and complete inability to shoot fast-moving objects or in low light. The other gripes common to *all* compacts – chromatic aberration, distortion, noise – would normally prevent me from buying a compact at all.
I’ve owned two: the Nikon Coolpix 5100 and the Canon G9, which I’ve used when I needed something small. I gave away the Nikon. I’ve kept the Canon. Below are the reasons why.
The G9 is solid, well-built (some might say ‘chunky’) and only just qualifies (IMO) as a compact. It does have a tiny, but usable, optical viewfinder. If you have small hands, I would imagine the weight and no grip would make shooting one-handed difficult. If you have large paws like mine, the zoom dial is not easy to use. The Nikon is admittedly more ergonomic. I wonder why Canon bothered with an ISO dial on the top (nice touch, I confess), as only 80, 100 and 200 settings are of any use. There is the usual, pointless print button which is thankfully customisable. If you’re used to recent Canon models, the interface and buttons are not too complex. Highly useful functions, such as changing the white balance, EV settings and focus modes are all easily accessible. The Nikon interface is quirky, bordering on irritating.
Both cameras feature a 12 million pixel count, resolution presumably being the only number camera manufacturers think we can understand. Noise in low light conditions or at anything above ISO 200 makes the Nikon useless, the Canon just about OK. (I admit I’m spoilt, being used to Canon and Nikon DSLRs.) If you want to take family snaps indoors, don’t waste money on the Nikon.
The internal flash on the Nikon is poor and weak; it’s only weak on the Canon. Both cameras have a hot-shoe for speedlite flashguns. My Canon 580 Mk II is twice the bulk of the G9, which doesn’t improve handling.
I was struck by the sharp and vibrant colours of the Canon. In normal photo formats, chromatic aberration (colour fringing) and distortion were not noticeable – they can be corrected afterwards, if necessary. Neither offers an impressive zoom range, but the Canon’s wide angle is a bare 30 mm (full-frame equivalent).
Video quality on the G9, I am told, is excellent.
After image quality and relative speed, the best feature on the G9 for me is the RAW format function. This is a godsend and one not offered by the Nikon, but even without it, the Canon G9 is simply a better camera.
Compacts don’t really deserve their bad reputation. Trying to please everybody inevitably lowers overall quality, but the G9 tries hardest to achieve such an impossible goal. Does its wide range of features and improvement in image quality over other compacts justify the high price tag? If you’re unfamiliar with the terms ‘white balance’ and ‘RAW’, then the answer is definitely no. If you’re looking for the next step down from a DSLR, I would say yes.
- 5.0 out of 5
In my opnion, the G9 may very well be Canon's best kept secret for the average camera shopper. It's been marketed for the professional who simply doesn't want to drag around a suitcase full of lenses and accessories for their digital SLR. This notion sells this camera and its abilities short. The G9 is an excellent primary camera for everyday use by everyday people. The G9 boasts a full-featured automatic mode for those who want to turn on a camera and press a button- BUT... it also offers manual modes for those moments when you are feeling that "creative" urge. It's a camera you can grow with as you learn about manual shooting modes. The G9 doesn't disappoint in any shooting enrivon. It's rugged construction is an invitation to take it along without fear that it can't take whatever comes along. Most importantly, this is a fun camera to use- your shots are only limited by your imagination.
- 4.0 out of 5
The Basics: I use my Canon G-7 / G-9 for Travel Photography, mainly for stock shots used for Travel Agencies, Guides ie good shots, not Grand Reporting, therefore dragging around SLR´s is not needed... Okay, when I got the G-7, I bought it despitite the lack of Raw Format, size and weight matters when travelling light... so when the G-9 came out I was first in line - mainly because of the File Format. Unfortunatly the G-9 is plagued by noise over thw 200 ASA setting, much worse than the G-7. Even when set at medium Size Resolution. Pity, what I want is a 6-8 Megapixel G- Model with Raw and less noise.
- 4.0 out of 5
I have owned and own lots of different cameras such as 35 mm/PS/4x5 & rangefinder film cameras (all Makes) and Digital Prosumers, PS, and Rangefinder digital cameras, many of which outperforms this camera. However I was able to get a great shot with this camera within 9 hours after opening the box, charging the battery, and reviewing some of the manual.
I admit the G9's manual and it's menu interface are at first frustrating and confusing, (not for people who don't want to read). However I'm finding the controls easier to understand and use the more I use the camera.
The first photo I took with the G9 was a group shot, taken indoors with the camera's flash and set to auto. I was amazed how well lit and detailed the photo was ( skin tones were natural looking). Considering the skin tones of the people in the photo (20 folks) range from very dark to bright the camera handled the subject matter well.
I processed the photo in Photoshop Elements (JPEG). There was very little enhancement needed.
I purchased the camera to replace a very expensive 6mp digital rangefinder which died. It's images were excellent. However it costs $1,600 and lasted 2.5 years. This one is considerably cheaper, easy to carry, has pro features that will help you get better images and like I said, it's takes great photos right out of the box.
who should purchase this camera and be happy? ANY person who will read the G9 manual and needs the controls and convenience this camera offers.
I will give a more detail review after I have used this camera for a while.
- 3.0 out of 5
Built well but horrible noise over iso 200. Evalutive meter is not that great. Color is excellent. I found less noise if I shoot at the 8.0 megapixel setting. Will not replace even a entry level dslr
- 5.0 out of 5
Though do not match the DSLR quality optics & speed, this one is for all to use. It sometimes amazes you with excellent results. Perhaps it is a handy one to have along, always and DSLR to satisfy your urge to get the best of shots. If one can have the speedlite flash accessory & wide and tele attachments, this can surprise you.
