Kenny,



That flash is built specifically for Nikon cameras. It may work in remote mode with a regular flash and comes with 52mm, 62mm, 67mm,72mm and 77mm mounting rings, but the Nikon site ( nikonusa.com/Find-Your-Niko...  ) states that it exclusively works with Nikon camera's. The IR shoe fits Nikons, so I would tend to say it won't work with your camera. Sorry.



Andrew

Only with a special canon to k mount adapter. But there are some severe tradeoffs - namely a loss of 1-2 steps in light speed (the speed at which the light travels through the aperture and a loss of clarity. In my mind, this makes it not worth it. Better to sell those lenses on eBay and get what you really need.

The first party lenses are probably going to function and sync better with the camera, such as the microchip. The functionality will not be lost to any significant extent. The main deciding factor for most people is cost, because with third party lenses, they usually cost less, but also are made to a lesser quality standard. If you use first party lenses you'll get the highest quality, and the shake reduction should be compatible with both first and third party lenses if its inbuilt in the camera (which to my knowledge it is). So you're basically looking at quality versus cost. Compare the f-stops and the glass of the first and third quality lens, and if anything, buy them both and see which picture quality you like the most. Functionality should not be a big deal.

I have a K10D that I just got and my buddy just got a Nikon D80. He told me that my auto-focus seems very fast to him. After trying both cameras I would agree that the K10D seems as fast or faster. Also it seems to take photos faster. Just so you know I am not using the kit lens, I have a 40mm prime lens and a Pentax SMC 50-200 DA lens and the prime lens might be helping.



In lower light indoors I have noticed that there is a problem auto-focusing but again, when I was with my buddy he could not get his D80 to take a picture in certain light. The camera just kept trying to focus and re-focus so I would say that the two cameras seem even, though I would like to see his D80 with an equivalent lens, he was using one of the kit lenses, not sure which one.

I would say this is definitely not the camera you're looking for if low lighting situations are what you want to capture. I've been using my K10D for several months now and it takes fantastic pictures outside with light. Inside, or outside if light is low, I have yet to get a decent picture. I've been studying manual and trying different settings with no luck. As a matter of fact that's why I was reading posts, hoping that someone else had a solution. I'm so disappointed with this camera. :(

I can't find any information about a new Pentax camera, even hidden on the Pentax website. I'm just as excited as you are, with the K10D being such a great camera. Pentax doesn't keep up well with the competition, but when they release products, they are quality products for the next 3-4 years, whereas other companies churn out new products every year. I hope to see 12-13MP, >6fps continuous shooting, updated battery for improved performance, near zero shutter lag, and 3-dimensional optical image stabilization to nearly eliminate blur. I hope Pentax is taking its time to improve low-light performance, as well. Not that it was a big problem before, but it'd be great to see it beat out the competition! :)

These are all rumors, mostly from a Chinese blog... but here is some more "information"



photographybay.com/2007/11/... 

If they have the same mount, then yes ... but chances are it will only perform in manual mode - which isn't much of an issue if you're shooting macro photography. You could get a mount adapter to make the lens work, but in addition to running into the manual only issue, you may run into light loss of up to 2 stops and clarity issues.



Not really worth it. Better to sell the lens on eBay and buy one that is designed to work with the K110D.

Hello Brent , I have the k10d and the image stabilization works terrific . I really like everything this camera does.But I am partial to pentax cameras. I also like that no matter what lens I chose to put on my camera I still have image stabilization capabilities . With the nikon I don't know if all the lenses have this feature built in. I personally have not used the nikon in lens stabilizer, although I know nikon to be a very well made product.

Hello Jeff , I have just recently moved up from film to the pentax k10d . Excellent choice if you go this direction, . What I like is all my older pentax lenses fit this camera wide angle to telephoto, as long as they are k mount type. Which have been around a long time.They work the same as on my film pentax pz10. My k10d came with the supplied 18-55 mm lens and I can get as close as 4"-5" away and have a great quality picture. well back to your question. The camera is very capable of low light conditions regardless of the lens chosen. Macro is one area I have not bought a lens for, so I wont be of any help there. But since pentax lenses are interchangeable (digital and film)you can look for one in your budget range.You are an advanced novice with a minolta you probably know your way around lenses, and the prices . The only helpful advice I can give you on the lenses is a lens is multiplied by about 1 1/2 when put on a digital body. my 18-55 mm lens is equivalent to about 28-80 mm lens when on a digital body , But is 18-55 mm when installed on a film body. Hope I was of some help. I love this camera .

I have read that they are comparing it with sony-dslr A100, nikon D80, cannon EOS 30D, and nikon D200. compared side by side these other cameras have some minor differences . But the price is the major difference. The k10d lists at 899.00 and the nikon D200 1699.00 and the others are in between. I found a pentax camera dealer on ebay and buy it now price delievered and insured was 749.98. This was for a new camera unopened packaging. If you go to www.dpreview.com then go to camera database, hit pentax then scroll down to the k10d and enter where it says announced 13-sept-06 . read this first then continue on to the full review. As far as durability I would say treat it like any other piece of sensitive equipment. You know the more expensive the more sensitive.

As long as it's k mount, sure. Why would it not stay 18-55?

Hmmm. No manual on an SLR lens? An interesting choice by Pentax. Then again, not too surprising. My first Pentax had auto fstops.

Well, if it has adjustable fstops within the body, that means it adjusts the aperture electronically and not manually. So by adjusting the fstop on the body, you are in essence telling the lens aperture to change. At least that's how I see it, at least. Have you tried it in manual?

Of course you couldn't as your film camera doesn't have the circuitry to controll it on manual. That's okay. I shot some stunning shots just letting the body wing it on "P." But when you want to grow, you're doing to want that ability.

Absolutely. No difference really. But let me say this - anything you can do with a filter, you can now do in photo editing software like Photoshop elements. Difference is, if you don't like how it comes out, you can undo in the software and try something else - keeping the original source picture untouched. You can't undo what the filter affects. Food for thought.

679.00 after rebate at this link:



adorama.com/IPXK10D.html 

I was checking out the above web site adorama.com . they have listed two rebates listed for the K10D pentax at $50.00 each. If you download the one that says may 1 - 2007 to sept. 30 - 2007 it actually reads may 1 - 2007 to july 31 - 2007. the camera is listed at $799.99 minus $100.00 rebate equals $699.99. I believe this to be misleading. I am waiting for a e-mail response from above mentioned company.

You probably have an 18-55 zoom lens when you bought the camera.



To upgrade the lens for picture taking in a stadium and sports activities, you may have to go for the longer range lenses like 50-200mm or 100-300mm.

SMC Pentax-A was built for K1000.

It probably is not an autofocus lens and the 'A ' in the old days camera means it will 'auto' select the correct aperture and shutter speed.

That being the case, somebody else might have a better answer.

Thank you Alan. I shall investigate the means of entering the information.

If it works on K1000, yes, it should work on K10D because K10D accepts lenses with K mount.



However it is not a simple turn on and shoot case. As this is not an auto focus lens, you have to set the camera to 'using aperture ring' before it works.

Hi there,

Going by the lens mount on the MZ-5N, and the fact that you said this lens has an auto focus, I'm going to assume that the lens has a Pentax KA mount to it. If that's the case, then it should work fine with all features intact.



With Pentax, pretty much all lenses fit the new DSLR bodies- they have stuck to the same K mount compatible for quite awhile now. For features, the thing to look for is features that are supported by both the body and the lens. For example, if you have a lens that doesn't support Auto focus but the body of the camera does, then Auto focus won't work. If the lens and body both have Auto focus (or auto exposure, etc. etc.) then the feature will work. Hope that helps.

i find that old lenses are difficult to read the appropriate f stops on the new kiod -how can i compensate an d successfully find thecorrect f spot using the m mode

Hi Tim,

I don't have any personal experience with this one, but since nobody else has answered I figured I would point you to <a href="forums.dpreview.com/forums/...  link</a>, which discusses the use of this camera for long exposures and shows an example of a 15-min exposure with the lens cap on. There's lots of info there that should help you.

Henry,



What camera are you mounting the older lenses to? The Pentax K- / KA- /KAF- / KAF2-mount lenses all transfer to the Pentax K10D ( digitalcamera-hq.com/digita...  ) while the KAF bayonet mount works with the other Pentax dSLR Cameras ( digitalcamera-hq.com/digita...  ). Good luck and happy shooting.



Andrew

Thanks for the follow up Mudly.



Andrew

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Give them a call or send an email and ask them what are the options.

As for a hard case I would recommend the SunnyMay Rubberized metal case ( amazon.com/SunnyMay-Hardsid...  ). This is good for protecting the camera when not in use or when travelling. As for a standard carrying case for more casual use I would recommend the Lowepro Gadget case ( amazon.com/Lowepro-TLZ20-Di...  ) designed to fit this specific model and a nice simple design make this an attractive buy. It is good for cassying your camera around on a trip , with its extra space for lenses and other AKS. Plus the price is right at $25.

You will probably need an adapter as the Pentax cameras take a "K" mount lens and the Canon's take EF mounts. Additionally, automatic functions won't work at all.



Why not just get him the Digital XIi? There are some great prices here ( digitalcamera-hq.com/digita...  ) and your dad can use his old canon lenses quite easily with no adapters.

Both are equally good choices. Both have great lenses and you can grow with both as well. And both can use older lenses. And that's the thing here. If there's one thing that can sway you one way or the other, it's the infamous Nikkor 105mm portrait lens. There's no better lens, ever. And if you can get one, it'll be the best you can get. And I'm a Canon man.

I have been in the professoinal photography business for more than 15 years. To show balance, I use both the D2X and 1D with equal pleasure in my work.

Recently, I was in a toss up between the D80 and 30D for semi-professional, off-work, leisure use. I have toyed around with both the D70s and 30D, before, and they were both equally capable to produce remarkable photos when in the right hands. After some deliberation, I finally decided on the D80 for a number of reasons: First and foremost, Nikon has consistently focused its resources into the field of photography, so their expertise in mechanics and optics should be and is unsurpassed at this level (albeit Leica and the Zeiss). On the contrary, Canon seems to be a follower in this field, despite having caught up fast. Canon is frankly not as focused in this field, despite its agressive marketing tatics to capture a wide fan-base (Red / Gold ring lenses, white lenses, etc. which is simply meaningless to the anyone who knows his lenses). Secondly, the "feel" of the D80 is definitely more comfortable and well-balanced when the camera is held at hand. While it could be generally true that the more solid feeling camera (usually the heavier weighing one) gives a more sturdy and professional grip, I found the lighter D80 to be ideally weighed and more balanced, with a center of gravity appropriately place (lower-center-rear), while the 30D was unncessarily heavy and tended to twist and tilt ones grip forward-right (I can imagine this worsening on heavier lenses). This creates a magnitude of uncomfort once the 30D is used for longer periods. Thirdly is the fact that the Nikkor lenses are more appropriately priced. I am unsure whether this is a marketing tactic; however, I have witnessed consistent price increases for Canon lenses over the past 10 years, without significant improvement towards quality. One point that may affect the decision of buyers towards the Canon is the fact that it is "assembled" in Japan, while the Nikon is "assembled" in Thailand. If there were two versions of the D80, one from Japan for Japanese market and one from Thailand for the rest of the world, then I'd worry. But frankly, when even the discerning Japanese consumers are getting the same product, this becomes a mute point. Nikon will not risk its image and status through offering potentially lower quality products. Your Benz, Porsche or BMW will have many components not made in Germany. Likewise for a 30D that is only assembled in Japan.

Hi, i'm studying photography with the intention of doing wedding photography full time. What would be the best camera to get, initially i wanted the canon 5D but its quite expensive....now its a toss up between the canon 30D or the Nikon D200 - which would you say is the better of the two, also taking into consideration the affordability of lenses.

There's one reason to go Nikon over Canon. The Nikkor Lens. No better lenses in the world.



That being said, I'm a Canon man. Nikon lost my interest with their very slow and bulky autofocus cameras back in the 80s. But their new digitals look pretty good though.

Lighthouse --



If the XTi was too light for you (a toy), you most certainly want the 30D or the D80 (or D200). Opinions about which company is conceptually better at cameras notwithstanding, Nikon and Canon are both real camera makers, and these are all real cameras. If you have any lenses from your old Rebel, then they'll work on the 30D, which would seal the deal for me. If not, then it's a toss up.



As a long-time Canon owner and serious (not professional) photographer, I very much appreciate the solid, strong performance of the 30D predecessor, the 10D which I have owned since it was released in 2004. The metal body, great functionality and speed are all great in the 10D, even by today's standards. The 30D is faster, has an even better image processor (lower noise at high ISO), more MP, a spot meter and a few other things I miss a little on the 10D. So it sounds like a great camera. I have heard similar raves about the 200D from Nikon.



I do think Nikon's glass has a great rep, however you should know they are going through a transition now, putting the focus motor in the camera, where it used to be in the lens (they had it in the lens for backward compatibility with their non-AE/AF lenses from many years ago). This means, I think, that there will be some incompatibilities in their lens line over the next few years. Canon made that switch (much to the ire of Canon owners then) in the early 1980s. So you may have a wider selection of lenses from Canon, although that's mostly speculation.



I would avoid all the other dSLRs, given your experiences so far. While many are fine, the Canon and Nikon offerings are the ones most pros choose, and if you want a solid camera, this is where you should stick. You will NOT be disappointed in either.

Hi all....sorry for the late reply as I have been mostly out of town. The Nikon vs Canon topic will frankly be a never ending debate. Agreed with TomH, you should only stick to one of these two brands. The option of the body is really a short-term commitment, for a life-time hobby, and it depends on your application at the moment of question. If you're a beginner/enthusiast, it'd be hard to justify going beyond the 30D or D80. It'll take you a good year of serious shooting before you can really master all the features both cameras have to offer. This is besides having to learn all the proper shooting techniques. The real decision maker is on the lens, which will be transferrable asset to-and-from bodies of the same make (mostly if you don't decide to step down for the D40 in the future). So you really should be looking at the range of lenses available for a certain make, and the quality, speed, weight, etc of the ones that would apply to your application(s) at the moment of question. I know I haven't answered any questions directly, but it is frankly an internal issue with oneself.

To lighthouse, you asked about shooting indoors (I presume portrait photos). This depends on the distances you will be covering during your indoor shooting. 200mm is obviously great if you need to reach across relatively long distance (e.g. runway models or podium speakers). However, if you are mainly shooting portrait across distances within 2-3 meters, you may even consider a fix-focus 35mm or 50mm f/1.8 or 1.4 lens, which are great for indoors and out-door night photography.

All said, I tend to lean towards Nikon bodies due to my believe in the range and quality of Nikkor lenses. Agreed with DeRuvo.

Lighthouse, go one step further and purchase a 1A skylight filter for that Quantray lens. It'll be the best insurance policy you can buy. I can't tell you how many times I saved a lens from impact damage by trashing that filter.



As for buying a 50mm lens, frankly, I think that's a waste of money. Get the 105mm Nikon instead. And I think that you're covered on the lens for hockey.

I am a real amateur and from this conversationI believe that D80 is way to go. Could you please (lighthouse) tell me which shop you bought it from and what are the steps. THANKS IN ADVANCE.

To pay 1,000 plus for either the 30d or the d80 is foolish, as I have found both for somewhere in the range of $700(shop around online), though this is body only, for the 30d that is UNBEATABLE. The K10d is wonderful but I do not like the choice in lenses. Olympus is also coming out with the e410 and e510, which are options to consider. Canon Nikon Olympus and Pentax. Those are the brands. Canon really lost a few points when they came out with such a flimsy cheap feeling camera as the 400d.



On the subject of lenses for the Nikon id go with the 18-70mm and a nice 50mm, as I take mostly low light shots.



by the way someone mentioned looking at cnet reviews.....don't. Bias bias bias is all I can say about their camera reviews . They are not photographers and many of their statements are down right inaccurate. They rate based solely on how expensive a product is.

Great choice on the D80 lighthouse. If I were you I'd definitely try and get a Nikkor wide angle lens. Either the well built 18-70mm for around $320 or the nice 18-55mm for about $170.

I have a video production company and am just getting into the DSLR market. I have been looking at the D80 and the D200 with their +18-200mm ED DX VR II lens. The longer I look at reviews the more confused I'm getting. Somewhere in this thread I read that if I'm new, then anything past the D80 is not smart. My interests are shooting mountain biking, mostly up close, weddings, nature, and some event photography.

Thanks James...that's how it started. I heard about the Nikon D40 so stopped in to check it out. It felt like a toy. So I tried the D80 and the lens felt cheap...and it was a Nikon. Then I stopped by a different store and held the D200, and fell in love. But it's so expensive and if I add this great lens, the 18-200mm ED DX VR II, which I cannot find to try out, but is available on eBay, will the camera be too heavy? Plus it costs $2200.

Well, I'm not an experienced photographer but have been shooting event video for the past 4 years. I would like to get a camera that has plenty of growing room, and the Nikon D200 with their 18-200 f3.5 VR lens looks like a winning combo.

Tom, is this the lens you want to buy?

photozone.de/8Reviews/lense... 

Read it carefully, they are not much happy with results, though VR is of course great option. If you're not nuch concerned about vignetting abberations and so on then it's great choice. Otherwise they recommend not to use "all-in-one lenses, but try to use a pair of them for different occasions. This should give better results.

I wouldn't buy the 18-200mm lens for shooting mountain biking. You need a faster lens. The Nikon 50mm 1.8D is good it only costs $100 and is a very good lens. I would then by a 12-24mm Tokina, this is very good for landscapes and would also be good for wide shots of mountain bikes coming down the trails. This lens will run you about $500. Then make sure you buy a good filter for both. Then if you want a telephoto I would go with the Nikon 80-200mm with tripod collar. New will run you about $800 used around $600. All of these lenses you can find at you local camera store or on ebay. Hope this helps.

If you decide to go with the Canon 30D i would get the 17-40mm F4 around $600 or the 24-105mm F4 around $700. This is a heavy lens though. For telephoto i would go 70-200mm F4 around $500 or the 70-200mm 2.8 is for $1500. All in all the nikon and canon are pretty close it really just depends how they feel in your hands.

The 50mm 1.8D is a very good lens for portrait and general event photography. If you can spend $1000 bucks on a lens I would go with the Nikon 17-55mm f2.8. Great for everything. If you shoot in low light you want a lens that is f2.8 or lower.

Today I had a chance to shoot a little with a nikon 18-70 mm lens, I think it was f 3.5. It's a great lens for close up shots of mountain bikers. Why does a 17-55 f2.8 cost so much? Is it the glass quality?

I bought the D200 with a 18-70 f3.5 lens in a kit. I wish it was f2.8, but my budget didn't allow. It does a pretty good job of getting a nice wide shot in close for mountain biking jumps. And I'm a novice so it will take me a while to learn the camera, which is a joy to hold in my hands. I charged the battery and took a great shot of my wife, who funded the purchase, and it looked great. This camera is simply spectacular to play with. Now I have to learn it. I have kept all your notes for future purchases. Thanks to all for your advice.

This has been a great thread for me. I too have it boiled down to a D80 or a 30D. I'll be settled on the D80 and I'll hear a whisper 5 fps, metal body , low light ect. Then I'll be getting the 30D for a few days, frankly it's exhausting I can't wait until I finally buy something which I'll probably be doing on Friday. I've held both cameras and like them both although at the time I wasn't seriously considering the 30D due to the extra cost. It's such a big decision as your buying into a system and the decision will be very expensive to reverse down the line. I plan to immerse myself in photography , take classes and hopefully start a career. In this moment I think I'm going with the D80 again I like the lenses 5 year warranty and the prices seem a little more sane. The D80 is also a rather new camera with no replacement on the horizon while the 30D is a little long in the tooth and will probably be replaced soon.

That said I am concerned about the idea the Nikon is changing their lens format accross the line as per the D40x model. If that is true there won't be many new lenses coming out for the D80 in the years to come an what lenses I do invest in won't be compatible with future Nikon bodies. Come to think of it that would be a huge determining factor and would lead me back again to the 30D. Help me please, I'm going around in circles and I'm getting dizzy.

Great forum btw and this thead particular has been helpful in addressing my dilemma. Thanks for any and all feedback. ~ Mike

Awesome. Also try bracketing. That's where you shoot at -1, regular & +1 on your aperture. Note the differences.

Well sorry, Bruin, but it really does depend on what you're going to do with it. Approach should always point the way to what camera you're going to end up with. If point and shoot is what you want, then this camera is overkill. Likewise, if you want to go into a serious hobby, then a prosumer model won't grow with you as much as you'd like.

Tom- What's the link to that deal? I decided on the Nikon D80 and am thinking of buying that lens you just mentioned plus a 50mm non-zoom...what do you think of that setup?

James- do you want to sell your 50mm? ;)

James when you speak of a prosumer I assume your referring to the D80? I'm definately wanting something which will grow with me. To be honest I'd like to make a career out of photography. My intention is to immerse myself, take some classes and learn everything that I can.

Now as to the 50 mm that was what I was going to get, the 30D body and the "fantastic plastic". Until I could save up for a decent lens. In reviewing lenses(photozone) the kit lenses all seem terrible, so I'm at a loss.

Ideally I'd find something that covered the lower to mid range i.e. 17-85, 18-55 the 28-135 IS is available in a kit with the 30D for $1288.00. The cost of the 17-55 2.8 is prohibitive as is the 24-105 2.8L. Basically 1300 maybe 1400 is the most (more actually but) that I can afford right now but I don't feel like that means I have to settle for the XTI/D40.I should just keep saving a get the 5D /24-105L kit...in about a year. lol

What do you recommend?



Oh I learned that I was uninformed regarding the new Nikon lenses with motors and their compatibilty with the D80/D200 bodies with motors.

Mike, I don't think that getting the XTi/40D would be "settling" per se, but then again, I'm not the one who would be using it either. I have a hunch that you're mind is set on the 30D and that's fine. It's a good camera. But frankly, you won't get much mileage out of the 50mm. You'll grow out of it in an afternoon to not too fine a point on it. I think starting out with a 28-135 is a good way to start. But what's the point of buying a great camera if you're going to settle on an inferior lens? Buying a kit with a third party lens is settling much more than going with the RebelXTi, IMHO.



I would advise saving up for a few more months and get the lens you REALLY want. Since you have it as a goal to go Pro, you won't regret being patient and having the right tools.



One last thing. No matter what lens you end up getting, plan on laying out another $25 or so for a 1A Skylight filter. It's a must for protecting your lens elements and is a good, cheap insurance policy. I can't tell you how many times I trashed a 1A filter, but saved my lens from impact damage!

Here's an idea that would allow you to kill two birds with one stone. Many camera stores rent the cameras they sell, and then will deduct the rental price from the sale price if you buy it from them. You could keep saving, and rent both to 1) scratch that photography itch and 2) evaluate each one personally. Do this with the understanding that both rental fees will be applied to the sale price.



Then, when you're ready to purchase the camera, you have a leg up in both experience, and price deductions.

All I can say is, if you feel like you're going to be settling, what will another month or two of waiting while you save up the difference hurt? That's my advice. Be patient. And who knows, maybe the price will drop.

Hi, I'm also buying my first DSLR, after reading reviews of both camera, I think i'm sold with the D80....I was just wondering now which lenses are good, I would like one that would be fast enough to shoot sports and one that is good with night shooting. Also DeRuvo mentioned the 105mm portrait lens from Nikon, is it the "AF-S VR Micro-Nikkor 105mm f/2.8G IF-ED". Also my friend recommended to me the "Nikkor AF-S 70-300mm F4.5-5.6 VR", how's that? Thanks

everytime i decide on the D80, I change my mind to the D200. All this info is driving me nuts! MAkes me want to use the $ and spend it on a lens on my totally manual fossil Yashica FX103

You have to realize that both Canon and Nikon are wonderful companies. Both make fabulous lenses, and fabulous cameras. They are neck and neck for a reason: both are very good at what they do. There is no "wrong" choice with your camera, there are cameras you will probably like more than others for personal reasons, but all the cameras were put out for top notch shooting. The 30D and the D80 are VERY competent cameras. Both have amazing features, and wonderful image quality in the right hands. The lenses (though you can debate this all you want) are just about equal in most regards. People who have shot Nikon will probably like Nikon lenses, and Canon shooters will enjoy Canon lenses. Don't let biases sway you from either company--Nikon and Canon are old rivals who compete for the same ground. And none of them are toys. All of them were made to a standard that very few companies can match.

There are many upsides to certain cameras; the huge sensor on the 30D may influence your purchase, or the wonderful Nikkor lenses available with the D80. Perhaps you have had a camera before from one of them--obviously some of the lenses can be used on a future purchased camera. There are variables to each purchase, and very well there should be.

But the best thing you can do is try them out. Whether from a friend or family member, or even for a brief time at a store, it is DEFINITELY worth your time to get a feel of the camera before your purchase. NEVER purchase blind, you will get surprises you didn't ask for.

Realize your options and make your favorite pick. All in all, you will find what you like for a reason that suits you.

I decided myself for Nikon D80 with Tamron 17-50 2.8 lens. What would you say about that 3rd party lens? It costs 450$ and seems to be a nice choice, as of photozone and some others.

Some of the above thread suggests that the 18-200 VR lens is not perfect, but I wish I had it. Read Rockwell's article. He says that he uses it and a very wide angle Tokina, and that's it. It has some barrel distortion at the close end and maybe a little edge distortion at the long end, and it's a little pricey, as in $700 or $800, but it's worth a look. Wish I'd gotten it.

Well the beauty of Nikon is that they have always kept their lenses in the loop and kept them downward compatible. So you shouldn't have any trouble with just about any Nikon lens.



As for the Rebel XTi, it's a worthy alternative.

Overall, which brand is more expensive? canon or nikon? in terms of lenses, speedlights, bodies, accessories, etc.....

also how are sigma lenses?

Scott, I really don't think you'll have a problem. Nikon has always kept their cameras downward compatible with their lenses for the very reason that they understand their strength is their glass. Worst case? You may lose some auto functions. But I highly doubt that.

You're welcome :)

Rob, at this point, when trying to make a final call, it may just come down to what camera feels good in your hand. Go to a local camera store and check both out side by side, holding them, feeling their center of gravity, the balance. How it sits in your hand. That usually sells me one way or the other.



You could also consider renting a model or two. Most smaller camera companies will rent you a camera for a day or weekend and will even apply the rental price to the camera if you buy it from them.

OK, on the heels of good advice, I wandered by the local Best Buy and gripped some camera.



XTi is out. Just doesn't feel right. I'm sure it takes good pictures but it doesn't feel right for me.



D80 has a nice feel. I like it. I like the layout, the menu system. Looks good, feel comfortable with it.



30D feels like I could kill someone with it, properly grasped and swung. It was dead so I couldn't play with menus but it certainly has a nice feel in my hand.



I do have Canon glass, but it's only about $200 worth, tops.



So 2 slightly less subjective questions based on reading today:



(1) in terms of megapixels and image quality, how does the 30D compare to the D80? I know the 30D is only 8.2 but I don't know if that means any real meaningful compromise in image. If you were buying solely on image quality and electronics (AF points, metering, etc.) is there a big advantage to one or the other? I've got them both in a spreadsheet and they look awfully close but I may have missed something.



(2) can either camera put RAW into Photoshop without 3rd party software? If I have to buy a piece of software to get the RAW from one or the other, that's a consideration. I work in advertising and while I don't need to shoot billboard size, I do want maximum flexibility going into CS3.



Thanks again.

See Rob? Often just holding it helps whittle down the list.

I have had a Canon EOS since 1987. I upgraded to an EOS digital Rebel about 4 years ago when a $5 internal rubber piece went. It was going to cost $250+ in labor to repair. Since all of my lenses fit on the new EOS, it I felt it was a wise choice. I currently have two lenses a 18-55 and a 75 - 300. I am looking at upgrading the camera again. This time I am looking at the 30D with a 28-135 lens.



Other than family gatherings, most of my photos are of my son's sports. He does Cross Country running and biking (tour bike races). I find that I am missing shots (mostly during the bike races) because the camera is not fast enough. It sounds like the 30D shutter speed will solve this problem. (I currently use a SanDisk Extreme III 2.0 GB CF). Since my lenses were purchased prior to the digital SLR, could this also be part of my problem? Do I need to worry about upgrading my lenses for the digital cameras?



Thanks

Hey guys, i'm thinking of buying a wide angle lens for my D80, any good recommendation? a friend of mine suggested the Tokina 12-24mm and the store suggested the Sigma 10-20mm

Yeah I was thinking about the Nikon 12-24mm but it is so expensive so I think i'll get the Tokina one, thanks

How does the D80 and the 30D compare with how their sensors

are cleaned.Also,does it matter that the D80 flash sy speed is 200?

I have only used a point and shoot digital so this is a new world

to me.I have used my minolta x700 for many years so I do know how

to shoot.I am just still analog in this digital world.Thanks to everyone

in this blog you have given me alot to think about.

well, to be honest it is a hard decision to choose between Nikon or Canon. one thing I know for sure that both camera producers have an outstanding record. I've used Canon for a long time, and tried Nikon D80 recently, I use my Nikon a lot. both has the same image quality ... one thing that I like a lot from Nikon is the balance design and also the big bright viewfinder. I use 18-200 VR lenses and I think that this is an excellent lens, it covers all your needs.

Thank you both so much for your response....I am probably going with the nikon with the 18-200 VR lens! I just don't want to outgrow the Nikon....By outgrow I mean technology. I need the latest but where I am starting over I hope to make the right decision. I love Nikons performance, but after reading a professional review on it vs the Rebel XTi it had a flaw that I was concerned with. The dust seals were not as tight as would be expected from a Nikon product. This is a concern but not the only factor. Does the 40D use a beter seal and body construction....I really do use my Camera almost daily and dust is a real concern. What are you thoughs on the housing Armor they make for these cameras are they worth it and do they inhibit the performance of the camera? Thank you both so so so much again this is really helping me!!

Agree with you James ... but please consider 40D as well .. it has better body construction.

A lot of the time I do Manual....but it is nice to have the option of a nice DSLR to shoot AF because My GF likes to mess around with it too!! I am going to buy the 40D for a couple of reasons....1st it will get me more motivated to expand my skill and hone my ability. 2nd it has room to grow and become a more avid photographer despite not being a professional!! Thank you for all of your feedback....I needed to hear from others before I bit the bullet and changed camera platforms! Thanks Again!!

Can anyone tell me how to choose which tripod and tripod head to get? thanks

hi James, thanks for all the help, I actually have another question, I was thinking of buying a macro lens and looking into the Nikon 105mm f/2.8 lens, i read the reviews in www.kenrockwell.com and he said that he preferred the non VR model which as of now i can only see used in Ebay, what do you think? VR or non VR edition? thanks

Yeah i was thinking that the VR system will be handy if i end up using it as a short telephoto, but at the kenrockwell site, he said that the autofocusing on the VR model is not reliable, is that true? I kinda want to buy a new one but since the non VR model is old they only have used ones so then I'd have to buy it from Ebay and I don't know how reliable that will be, it might come to be all scratched up.....any suggestion?

do you by chance know a place where I can get the second hand 105mm non VR model? its really hard to come by now, even on ebay there isn't much available. There are always bad and good reviews for everything which makes it hard to decide haha. So if the difference between the two lens are very minor/slight then I guess buying the VR model would be good too although its so much more expensive. I like in Asia right now, unfortunately I don't have the luxury of trying out lenses, here in Asia you either buy it or not, you can't take it out to try, oh well, thanks James

Thanks lighthouse, I'm actually trying to find the older model, the non VR one, i actually found some on ebay and also on Adorama, i might just get the one from Adorama since I heard that they are very reliable. I'm still deciding whether or not to get the 50mm f/1.4 or 1.8, i'm not sure if there is a really big difference between them, all i know is that the price is really different hehe.

Ok :-} Thanks again James.



Good luck Alex. If you end up getting the 108mm, please let me know how it is.. /thanks.

I am a complete newbie and I am wanting to discover the wonderful world of photography, with all of it's possibilties artistically and possibly career wise. I am trying to decide between the d80, d200, & the 30d. After reading the posts, I'm leaning towards the Nikon d80. By being a newbie, I'm a little concerned about the dust issue. Is this a big concern? Also, I am very limited as far as funds are concerned so I was thinking of getting the NIKKOR 18-200 lense because I read several times that it would cover just about everything. Please help me in deciding the best course for me.

I have an old nikon n80 and it looks like my 2 lens are a 28-80mm and an 75-300mm. I am considering coming into the future and purchasing the nikon d80 and get rid of film altogether. My question is.... will those 2 lens work w/ the new D80?

Experts, great thread. I am going on a safari in africa in December. Not used an SLR for nearly 10 years (used to get one free to shoot tennis at Wimbledon in the day of film and that was always a Nikkon).



My friend has a D80 with the 18-200mm lens + UV filter. Is ths lens the best for shooting (not literally of course) big game in the morning?



Mike

thanks james - i live in Indonesia but we do have a safari park here as well!!

Ok I am in this same Canon/Nikon predicament..I have never shot professionally(and am honestly not the most technically sound) but am planning on pursuing photo as a career as I have been kidding myself working in advertising( a tune i'm sure many of you know) and all I do is take pictures.Image quality is my biggest deal. Since many of my questions have been answered by previous threads..consider this:



CanonEOS 40D w.28-135 lens- $1499.99

Nikon D80 w/ 18-135mm lens--$1149.88



Thoughts?

Ok when I say i'm new to this (digital) i mean really new...so please go easy because this may seem like a stupid question...



D80 - 10.2mega pixles

30D - 8.2mega pixles



Does this really make much difference?

Hello, I have been reading reviews and have made a couple trips to the camera store learning about Canon and Nikon DSLR's. I have found I am in the same position as Tom was in, unable to make a clear decision on which camera to buy. First I looked at the Canon Rebel XTI but found that the compact body was hard for my large hands to hold onto. I can just see an accident waiting to happen with this camera when it is dropped. I am looking at the D80 and D200 Nikon cameras and the Canon 40D. I like the larger feel of the bodies of these cameras plus the fact that the bodies are metal and not plastic on the D200 Nikon and the Canon 40d. It scares me to invest $700.00 in this lens and $900 to $1300.00 plus for a camera body and then find out that Nikon is headed towards changing the motors to the camera body. Is this true? I am really leaning toward the Canon 40d but many have told me the Nikkor lenses are supreme over Canon lenses and that Nikon seems to be a better camera. My uses for this new camera would be lots of closeups of pottery usually shot inside in a variety of light settings including ultraviolet light, overhead lamps, low light situations etc. I have been told that a very good lens from Nikon is the 18-200mm lens but after reading some confusing reviews on this lense, the major problem seems to be the quality of the materials it is made of. I am new to photography and would like any input someone might have to help make this decision easier. Thanks.

I agree, Bamn!. Sometimes discussions like this come down to almost religious fervor when both, or either, can work rqually well. But I have to tell you this. As a Canon fan, if I could get ahold of one of those old 105mm nikkors, that would tip the scale for me in favor of the D80/D200.

I am also looking at the Nikon D80 with the 18-200mm VR Nikkor lens. The price of the D80 at $900 and the price of the 18-200mm VR lens at $800 is pushing my wallet to its max, and I still need a memory card, flash, filter, monopod, trypod,........ So I am looking at the New Tamron 18-250mm for $500. I know it is not a VR lens but is the $300 worth it. Is the quality of the Tamron lenses good, bad, or is there a big difference from the Tamron, Sigma, Promaster to the Nikkor lenses. Also to save some money I am looking at the package deal D80 and Nikkor 18-135mm non VR lens at a price of $1200 is this better then the Tamron option, or is the bigger range a better way to go.



I really need some help with which lens to pick, and if the nonNikkor lens are any good.



Thanks for any help at all.

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I am planning to buy my first dslr. Photography is my hobby and I generally do street photos, cityscapes and I prefer b/w shooting a lot.

Would prefer an all-in-one lens to start off with as I'm practically on a shoe-string budget.

Need advice as I'm simply overwhelmed by the huge array of reviews I've been reading for the better part of last month!!

I leave the decision to you guys...please help narrow down within a week's time.

Hello Folks, stuck with Canon 30D vs Nikon D80....

I started out with Canon EOS 400D aka XTi vs Nikon D80. I've been shooting photos for long, but only with point-n-shoot cameras.

Given D80 has pentaprism viewfinder, spot metering and better ergonomics compared to XTi, I was more inclined for D80. But, I went back and had a look at Canon 30D.

Interestingly price for D80 ($730) vs D30 ($800) is very comparable (body only, as per B&H photo)



Given I don't own any lens now, what tradeoffs would I be making if I choose one over the other.

For now, I'm more oriented towards Canon for it's Magnesium Alloy body compared to D80's high grade plastic, faster 5fps continuous, CMOS sensor (=>better pictures at higher ISOs), better choice of post-processing software.



Actually this should be in a separate thread, but...

Lenses: No matter what body I choose, I plan to buy Tamron 18-200mm over kit-lenses. My justification for this is that this lens would allow me experiment more (meaning higher range of focal lengths) and would serve as a good starter all-in-one lens.

As an expert, what is your take on that?



P.S. This post is NOT intended to evoke the Nikon vs Canon ire. Just expecting some genuine feedback that would help me understand tradeoffs.

> Well, if you're hard on your equipment, then I'd go with the 30D.

Actually, I'm a careful handler, but doesn't hurt to know body could take some beating :)



>The faster burst mode is a plus if you shoot action shots more.

Yes, since I would love to have an all rounder body, good to have this feature.

I don't photograph for living, and so, can't afford many bodies, at least to start with.



>As for "post-processing software" that's a wash as the best is Photoshop/Photoshop Elements, anyway. A free option is Picasa from Google. It's a great tool for managing your photographs, cleaning up red eye, and even printing them.

Noted!



>Now to lenses, have you taken a look at the Sigma varieties?

No, actually I only looked Tamron.



>They are running neck and neck with Canon/Nikon lenses of late and some, according to Photography magazine and testimonies on this board, are down right superior.

Are you talking about 18-200mm in particular? If so, then the prices are exactly the same on B&H photo.

And in one review I read, they perform equally well. If you are talking about long run other lenses,

I definitely need to look at more lenses.



>An all in one lens is ideal just starting out.

Yes, that's the goal, to get started. And also for occasions where changing lenses would be clumsy

or not favorable.



>Just do yourself a favor and buy a 1A Skylight filter for it. Reason being? Insurance. They will take any impact damage and spare your lens. I can't tell you many times I have thrashed a 1A filter and saved my camera lens. It's well worth the $20 or so, believe me.

Thanks a ton for that one James. Since I'm just starting with DSLR, I didn't know this was so important.

I'll definitely add it to my must-have list and buy it off along with the lens.

Zooming for landscapes? Usually one wants a wide angle for that purpose. Nikon does make lenses for ranges from 300mm-600mm ( nikonusa.com/Find-Your-Niko...  ). But just remember, the longer the focal length, the greater the possibility of camera shake and the need for a faster "F" stop and either a mono or tripod. At at larger than 200mm, affordable is seldom in the equation.

Well that depends on how much of a shutter bug you are. Personally, I think that 40Gb is more than enough. Even if you toss in videos you plan to keep. Sure, that extra 80 would be great to have, but I'm betting you could put all your pictures on the 40GB and still have room left over for video.

50mm lenses have their place, sure, but they are incredibly limited. I don't think you want a fish-eye as they distort the image to look like you're viewing life through a viewing port in your front door. I hold that a zoom that goes from say 18-105 will give you about 75% of what you're doing. It'll give you wide angles for group shots and landscapes, but also a nice portrait capability. But if you can't get close enough to get a good picture (as some ceremonies won't allow it) then you may want to look at a longer lens like an 18-200 or there abouts. Sigma makes some great ones that are affordable and are nearly as good as the name brands (according to recent Popular Photography reviews).

hi everyone, I'm planning to watch the Macau Grand Prix, I currently have a 18-200mm lens, is that good enough to use or can anyone suggest a better one? thanks

thanks for the quick response, what lens would you recommend though? decent price nothing too expensive, i was looking into the 80-400 is that any good? or should i just stick to my 18-200?

I'm new to SLR photography. Recently started with a D70 and a sigma 10-20 wide angle lens for real estate photography. The D70 has been dropped and the switch on the front of the camera got broken, now it won't work on auto. Manual only....... SO, I'm considering upgrading the camera body to either a D80 or a D200. Will my lens, batteries, Speedlight SB-600 all fit on the camera's I am considering? Thanks in advance!

hey James, regarding the macau grand prix that i mentioned before, do you think the 80-200 f/2.8 would work better? cause i went wakeboarding this weekend and I used my 18-200 to take photos and more than half of them were blurry, do you think the 80-200 would work better? thanks

no when i was taking wakeboarding photos i was sitting in the speed boat, i had the shutter speed on 1/100 i believe, i had some good ones but a bunch of blurry ones, thats why i was looking into the 80-200 or the 70-200, one final question, i know that the 70-200 works with tele-converters, does the 80-200?

ill give that a try thanks James

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All the cameras you have mentioned are great machines with a lot of qulaity and versitility that maybe why you keep getting comflicting opinions. It really comes down to personal preferences I feel when comparing such high end machines.

I love the new Sony A100 because I love Minolta lenses and the cameras over all design. It is easy to use with out compromising ability which is nice. But really you should go to a camera shop hold a few of these and check them out then buy online for the good deals. It is really the only wu to see which one is for you because they all take amazing pictures and have all the same functions in order to be competative.

Hi,

I noticed you haven't marked a Best Answer... are you still looking for help? If so, I recommend re-submitting your question at digitalcamera-hq.com  so it has a better chance of being noticed. Lately questions are being answered within just one or two days. Good luck!

The SMC PENTAX-F 1:4.5-5.6 100-300mm is a KAF lens and as such, is fully compatible with all Pentax DSLRs, including the K10D.

Should be this month (November 2006).

Yes, all K mount lenses work with the K10D. The K and M lenses are totally manual, so they must be used in Manual mode. You make a setting in the menu to allow firing the shutter when not on "A" position and when you press the DOF preview (in Manual mode) it meters for what apeture you've set. Essentially, you're working in apeture priority since the lens has no electrical contacts.



A and later lenses work in all exposure modes. But only autofocus lenses will autofocus (duh), so you need to focus manually and use the focus confirmation light in the viewfinder to estalish when you're in focus. There are focusing screens available with split image and microprisim if you really want them, but the focus confirmation light works just fine.



K and M lenses work in center-weighted metering mode only. Just like the cameras they were made for. A and later lenses can use all the fancy multisegment metering modes you want, or spot metering.



I personally use the M2000 f/4 with the *st D, the original pro-spec Pentax digital. It works fine. So does the old 45-125 K zoom from the Paleolithic.



If you have M or K lenses, they'll work fine.

If you're referring to the Pentax SLR that used 110 film, you should know the answer. If you are referring to the K110D, then the answer is yes, it has shake reduction, two control dials, more resolution and is water-sealed. It's a professional grade camera.



Any lens with a K mount will work and meter with the K10D. Manual lenses will only work in manual mode. They are manual lenses, after all! Even M42 screw mount lenses work fine on the K10D, in manual mode. There's an adapter you can get to mount them on K mount cameras.

Yes, AF speed is much improved using all Pentax lenses... but furthermore the K10D is the first Pentax camera to be compatible with the new ultra-sonic type lenses from Pentax which offer ultra high focus speed to match Canon and Nikon systems.